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SEMO impressive in routing UTMPosted Friday, January 22, 2010, at 12:47 AM
I know Tennessee-Martin is bad this season, but I was still impressed by the way the SEMO men's basketball team took care of business in rolling past the Skyhawks 77-63 Thursday night at the Show Me Center.
To be honest, I assumed any OVC wins SEMO got this year would hang in the balance late, as was the case with the Redhawks' first two conference victories. That wasn't the case against UTM as SEMO led most of the way and was in total control basically the entire second half. The Redhawks matched their season high against a Division I opponent by shooting 50 percent from the field, had a season-low 11 turnovers, outrebounded UTM 36-30 and held the Skyhawks to 38-percent shooting. It was a strong all-around performance that lifted SEMO to 6-12 overall and 3-5 in OVC play as the Redhawks broke a three-game losing streak. The Redhawks, winless in the the OVC last season, have already doubled their overall win total from a year ago. They're doing better than most people expected, myself included. SEMO didn't need junior forward Cameron Butler against UTM, but will need him most nights. Butler, SEMO's No. 2 scorer and rebounder, missed his third straight game with a foot injury. Coach Dickey Nutt said Butler is expected to be out about two more weeks. The Redhawks' next opponent will certainly be a lot tougher than UTM as powerful Murray State visits the Show Me Center Saturday night. The Racers are 17-3 overall and 9-0 in the OVC. Regardless of the outcome, I'm looking forward to seeing the Racers play. Comments Showing most recent comments first [Show in chronological order instead] |
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tg, sounds like the snow totals area wide have gone down.. now not talking any snow in metro area.
Wonder when SEMO's non-point guards will learn to not make bad passes, and hold on to balls?
Nutt didn't mention any names, semoredhawk.
I've heard everything from 2-4 inches up to 5-7 inches. Then there's also the many mentions of sleet throughout the night. There is no telling how much we're going to get.
Just started listening to the game and found us down by 5. Not too bad considering SEMO shot 35% (I believe) from the field and only 50% from the charity stripe.
"If SEMO can pull a split on this road tirp,"......I'll show up to the next game in my underwear!!!!!
If SEMO can pull a split on this road tirp, I think it really gives them a great shot to make it in the OVC tournament. Something, I honestly didn't expect to happen this year. I'd be more than happy to be wrong.
He can say whatever he wants about the type of kids and how many he is recruiting as long as he doesn't discuss them by name.
Btw, how much snow are you going to get down there?
Marty,
I see your point. I agree.
I guess it ok to not agree. Especially when your talking to certain people. At the end of the day - it just doesn't matter.
He just mentioned they were there and how big they were. The desperately needing size comment was my own. Sorry for any confusion.
Teacher guy - I hope Nutt wasn't saying too much. And if he is, we probably shouldn't post it on this site.
I was interested in the recruits as well. Nutt said he had 4 or 5 recruits at the Murray game and they were all about 6' 9". Size is something we are in desperate need of.
On another note, I think it was mentioned above, but would you rather see primarily freshmen being recruited and brought on, JUCOs, a mix?
I can see it now, we are gonna scare EIU with a bunch of 10 year olds, I love it!
Give you bloggers a voice. Find out about the ticket prices and lack of promotions...or is that too petty????
My bad Marty. Rough day at the office, no hard feelings hopefully.
I don't understand why boomer's question about the basketball recruits in town was not answered.
Frankly, most college basketball fans around town are more interested in talking about semo basketball recruiting and the next few years (the future) than the present.
And do we have any clue how many or who the football team is expected to sign next week?
I was talking about the semoball staff, not the regular joes that post. If Marty and Rachel don't want to blog about Semo sports, why should any of us bother to talk about it?
For all of you complaining about ticket prices, you had better pack the place on February 6. Kids under 14 get in free that night.
I believe baseball begins full practice on Friday. Gymnastics open up their home schedule Saturday afternoon with conference foe Illinois-Chicago coming to town. Gymnastics features 6 home meets this year including March 7 I believe against Missouri and Alaska at the Show Me Center. The rest of the home meets will be held at Houck Fieldhouse.
Sports? Semo has played a big rival, had a transfer come into the program, had multiple recruits in town last weekend, had a regular poster ask a question about the recruits, football signing day is next week, gymnastics is undefeated and won a huge tri-meet last weekend, and baseball practice is starting soon, but no one at semoball has bothered to blog about any of that. The staff at semoball doesn't want to talk about Semo sports, so why should we?
I kinda like the comedy that some of the loonies bring to the non-sports discussions anyway, so whatever.
I blog periodically when a topic moves me to do so. Why does everybody need me starting a new blog to have their discussions, some of which are hilarious, and often quite petty, I might add. Everybody seem to be doing a pretty good job of having their discussions no matter what blog the comments are posted on. So what's the problem?
I touch on many topics in my weekly column that would be redundant if I put them into a blog, although I do that sometimes. Much of what you're referring to was written about in articles. Comments are welcome on columns and stories as well, not just blogs. Are people aware of that?
As for not answering the question about recruits, I must have overlooked that one. I don't know what recruits were in town.
Sports? Anyone want to discuss sports?
We have a "Get in the Game" radio ad that was created in 1987 though. Cheers for us!
-- Posted by devin on Wed, Jan 27, 2010, at 10:10 AM
Thats Funny...
Faculty normally do not have a clue outside of their classroom...
teacher_guy11,
LOL....You think that the Admisssion Director has nothing to do with First Step??? As for the schedule being set before the basketball schedule comes out....thats false....trust me...a First Step could be scheduled on a game day... every year, they add First Steps to the schedule depending on enrollment...
As for the only thing in Academic Hall that pertains to First Step is the Registrar's office is a joke...you better tell those financial counselors not to give presentations anymore...tell admission office not to show up...tell the computer guys not to come....LOL
I will admit - maybe First Step has changed over the past two years...I don't know...but I was on that committee for 7 years and presented at approx. 3 to 4 First Steps a year for 7 years...get a clue
anyways - enough discussion - its not really that important....Your mind set is perfect for the University...You fit in perfect..
Semoredhawk,
You finally said something correct - I do have a thick skull...lol
By the way, approx. 50% of the students attend First Step without the parents.
As for there not being a First Step scheduled on a Sat. that SE plays.....your killing me..lol...A First Step can be scheduled anytime....Admission Director can take a look at the bball schedule and schedule a First Step at that time...First Step dates can be changed - they are determined in the Spring - well after the next years basketball schedule is posted and confirmed.
I've presented and worked approx. 30 First Steps...I know exactly how everything works in Academic Hall....trust me - this is not rocket science....its a matter of somebody making it happen...
Below is response to Tidal's comments
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I agree it isn't rocket science, but the fact is your knowledge of our orientation is a little off base. Admissions has nothing to do with First STEP. The Assistant Director of New Student Programs sets the First STEP schedule before the b-ball schedule comes out. The schedule can't just be ammended. Oh, by the way, the only thing that pertains to First STEP in Academic is a presentation made by the Registrar and some advising.
I would love to see more people at basketball games, but the simple fact is people typically are ready to go home after a full day of orientation, especially if they are from out of town. None of this has anything to do with SEMO basketball so I'm dropping it now. Just had to get this off my chest.
Some schools try to attract their young alumni (you know the ones that are used to getting free tickets and then all of a sudden find themselves having to pay for them while on the bottom of the pay scales) by giving Young Alumni Discounts on season tickets. Big schools like Mizzou, and small schools like Siu-E. Siu-E gives a 30% discount on season tickets to recent graduates. Lots of them do it - Semo doesn't. And seriously, about half the schools in the country have a discounted family package thing, for season tickets and for single games, that includes a soda and pizza (or something like it), but not Semo.
http://www.mizzou.com/s/1002/index.aspx?...
http://www.utrockets.com/ViewArticle.dbm...
Recent Toledo Graduate $75
If you earned your UNDERGRADUATE degree between 1998-2008, you may purchase up to (2) season tickets in our purple premium sections 104 and 107 in the lower bowl. We will reduce the normal $75 per seat Rocket Fund contribution to just $25 per seat AND also give you a 50% discount on your season tickets (limit 2).
http://www.csurams.com/tickets/mbbtixinf...
New at Moby Arena this winter is the Pepsi 4-Pack ticket special. Receive four tickets, four hot dogs and four sodas for only $32.
We have a "Get in the Game" radio ad that was created in 1987 though. Cheers for us!
Tidal, your thick skull is missing the point. Look around, attendance is down across the board everywhere in college basketball, not just SEMO. Of course you try. I've said for years, I firmly belileve that SEMO outprices itself for basketball, and that drives down attendance. I couldn't be more emphatic on that point. I firmly believe that SEMO should not charge a full price ticket for a kid under say 12. Those things matter. What I am saying in arguendo is that no matter what you do, and you should do, that SEMO may never get back to having 5,500 game crowds. It just may not happen. Our economy was a heck of a lot better under Clinton then what it was under Bush and so far under Obama. We had a great economy in the 90's. We had a great economy for the most part in the 80's. The economy matters when it comes to entertainment spending. Right now the disposable spending for college bball is taking a hit everywhere, not just at SEMO. I'm all in with you to try, but what I am saying is that Roth says winning cures all. I'm not sure, the economy cures all, and when the jobs come back, the money comes back, the fans may come back. Then it becomes a product issue. However, there has to be a balance between what you just hand out trying to get people in, and getting something for it. I don't honestly know what that balance is.. Plus one other factor no one really likes to talk about is that SEMO has done a horrible job building a younger fan base, and frankly that group of fans in their 60's who made up a good portion of SEMO's crowds in the 90's are now in their 80's..and SEMO hasn't done a very good job of replacing that core.
Crap, I missed all the lunacy yesterday! I figured once somebody mentioned tickets it was only a matter of time. Entertaining stuff lol!
Heres the problem...instead of doing something...people automatically search for ways to be against it....thats the mind set...
As for givin potential and local high school students a free ticket - Why not?
What else are you going to do with all those unsold tickets...how about wall paper the King's office with them....
Where was long-term goals mention...it was a simple idea...not a plan for complete recovery...
Have promotions..don't let the lack of winning be a crutch....hire somebody to get people in the seats....outside of the box..."How do we get people to the games win or lose?" that should be the mission....or directive
The best thing to do is lower the price and offer family and high school student discounts....
The University loves to create these so call committees...do so.....get somebody from the Athletic Dept, Ticket Sales, Show-Me Center, Marketing Dept., and some BOOSTER club members...and come up with some ideas with the following mission statement in mind: ..."How do we get people to the games win or lose?"
and implement some ideas.....or stick to having Greek Night once a year and the little girls performing with the Sun Dancers once a year..keep the Ron Hines commercial "get in the game" playing and continue to count the employees people attending the game .. so that you can pretend like you have a large attendace number...
semoredhawk,
you stated the following: "Sometimes you have to appreciate what you have, not complain about what you don't. SEMO has a solid fan base from about 2,300 - 4,000 give or take. I'm guessing there are a ton of D1 teams that would take a 2,400 right now. This isn't 15 years ago, SEMo may never avg 5,500 for bball again, regardless of how good they are."
...thats the mind set of this University. Thats what we have to change. Don't mistake complaining for caring.
They should do 4 game or 8 game packs and stuff. Other schools in the region have done that on previous occasions.
The assumption being made here is that freebies will get more people in than discounts. I think there is a role for both.
People are also not looking at the big picture, in our world of college basketball, SEMO's attendance is pretty darn good compared to other schools out there.
Sometimes you have to appreciate what you have, not complain about what you don't. SEMO has a solid fan base from about 2,300 - 4,000 give or take. I'm guessing there are a ton of D1 teams that would take a 2,400 right now. This isn't 15 years ago, SEMo may never avg 5,500 for bball again, regardless of how good they are.
Moberly's 18-4 and picked up a huge win over Culver Stockton's JV last night.
http://associations.missouristate.edu/Re...
I'd say try a "Half Price" night on ALL tickets.
I don't think any of you people understand how ticket sales works.
Someone on here answer this question: Do we have a Ticket Sales staff?
I think we have people that deal with ticketing, but no one is responsible for making calls to get people in the building. We need 5-6 (at least) making 30-40 calls per day for GROUP SALES.
You guys can run any ticket promotion you can think of, BUT if you don't have the people in place to reach out to the public, who's going to know about the promotion? An ad in the paper or a couple of radio commercials aren't going to get the job done.
And whoever thinks that just giving away tickets for free is NOT the answer.....is 100% correct.
I'm not talking about giving "freebies long-term." I'm saying that giving freebies once isn't going to solve the problem long-term. Quite a bit different.
"But just giving them away to give them away? Not going to work longterm."
"And I don't know who is talking about "freebies long-term". I'm not."
Uhhh, what?
"But you don't want to look at the current students' attitude toward athletics."
Didn't say that. Said you can't look at student's attitude when discussing ticket prices to the general public. Why? Because the students don't pay those prices so there attitude toward it simply doesn't apply. Maybe when you are no longer a student and have a family to provide for, you will understand better. Student's attitude towards things matter in most cases, but not in the basketball pricing to the general public - just as the general public's attitude toward students doesn't always apply either.
Apparently you really do need that reading comp class.
I'm sorry devin, you might have not said anything about the "future students attitude." But Tidal thinks SEMO should give every one of them a free ticket. But you don't want to look at the current students' attitude toward athletics.
And I don't know who is talking about "freebies long-term". I'm not.
Are you in need of that class too? I'm sorry, my schedule is full as it is with all SEMO's BS "makeSEMOmoney" curriculum.
Where do I say anything about the attitude of future students?
And who is talking freebies longterm? The posts above are talking about taking less money for the next year or two hoping for the big payday down the road.
Hopefully you will take a reading comprehension class during your studies.
Interesting devin, you don't want to discuss student attitude, but you want to discuss the attitude of future students?
Also, I'm not opposed to having discounted tickets, say bring 4 for ___ or whatever. Kids cheaper seats, etc. Fine with me. But just giving them away to give them away? Not going to work longterm.
As for student attendance . . . Tidal . . . what do the highest student-attended football games (other than homecoming)and the highest-attended baseball games have in common? Hint: It's cold and it's free.
redhawkstudent, you're thinking like a student and not like a working family. I didn't bring my 3 kids this past weekend because the price was too high. If the tickets had been discounted, I would have bought them, plus I know at least 1 family with 4 people that would have come if the tickets had been discounted. My kids and this particular family will be in attendance next Saturday though. That's 7 people right there, and we always end up buying our kids a soda and some nachos or something along those lines.
You simply CANNOT judge the attitude of the students when discussing ticket prices and getting non-students into the building. It simply doesn't apply.
gateway-broker . . . that does not surprise me in the least. Spoon Jr. will succeed. If given the chance. For some reason - and I have little idea why - he has had a real hard time getting that chance, despite his connections. There has to be more to the story, but who knows. Bottom line, he wasn't going to get the SEMO job either time. Nutt is going to do real well.
I know everyone is in love with Nutt, but just wanted to mention that Spoonhour has Moberly ranked #22 nationally (in his first season, with a late start on recruiting, and after they finished with 9 wins last year). I think they are either 17-4 or 18-4.
Giving away free tickets is not going to solve the problem! Remember, over 10,000 individuals already have access to free tickets! Yet, we're not packing the place.. Or coming anywhere close.
Only way you're gonna get people there is to have a product to sell.
semoredhawk,
you fit in good with the Administration's way of thinking...do nothing because of all these reasons....
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I'm saying - get people to the game.. the above idea is just one single idea..
If you can seat 5,000 and your only selling 2,000 tickets...what does it hurt to give away a 1,000 tickets...at least you will sell more at the concession....but more important...just get people in the doors and maybe they will have fun and come back...maybe they will see how hard this team plays and come back..
DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET PEOPLE TO COME....
The first step and recruitment idea is just one of many ways.....
go after the college students more....go to the greeks and form a pep club...go to towers and recruit students....step outside of the king's box....
People tend to want to go where lots of people are at....make the price of the ticket more than just seeing a game....I don't know..put dancing monkeys at the end of the floor...lol
Heres an ides...lets do nothing, break even, and build a parking lot...
Go ahead and tell me all the reasons why nothing can be done...
Well you first have to people on staff that know how to sell to the groups to offer the discounts. I seriously doubt we have that right now.
I would compare it to something like a middle-aged person in middle management leaving that position to go and open up their own business. Leaving the safe and steady revenue for the chance at a really big payoff down the line. Do you make that move and go for the really big bucks, or do you stay in middle management? Do you ever make the big bucks unless you take a gamble? Maybe take a paycut for the first couple years, but then it really pays off later? I think that is what boomerang is getting at?
I bet it is hard to convince an accountant to do it.
Chicken or the egg?
I would argue that getting people in the building, even if there is MINIMAL ticket revenue, is VERY important. Coach Nutt mentioned recruits at the game and how it was important to have a good crowd. How much better is it for recruits to see 5500 people at the game than 2500 people?
Better crowds = better recruits.
Better recuits = better players.
Better players = more wins.
More wins = more tickets sold.
How do you get better players with no home crowd support? If we had had 5500 people this past Saturday (even if half of them were freebies), would it have helped our recruiting efforts?
Tidal, the problem with what you are saying is that oh, well we can give the free tix to the student, and make the parents pay. Well, if 50% of the parents doesn't come, you just lost 50% of your potential revenue, then with the 50% that do, about 80% of them will say, well, mom and dad, will go out to eat and send the kid to the game, because they have the free tix, or they will forgoe the free tix, and go home. You can't force these people to attend. You can't just tell a First Step family, that after you spend a couple of grand to get your kids enrolled in school, that we are going to force you to buy $28 in basketball tix, for a game they probably have zero interest in going to see. That would be awful from a PR standpoint. You would have to give them all freebies, and that defeats the purpose. I mean, you could, that would be a nice PR gesture, and would make the crowd inflated, but does nothing for revenue.
A better use of that would be to do it on a "showcase" weekend for minority students from STL, like they do in the fall for fb. They usually bus them down for the day, show them around, etc, Show Me Days, stuff. But again, you are talking about one time events, that are non-revenue generating things. Things like discounting, at least gets people here, and you get some revenue from them. Whatever you do has to be a sustained program. A bunch of one time things, just to get people here, really don't do what we need it to do. Part of everyone's beef with the athletic department is that they don't have enough money, but everyone just wants to give tix away. I don't think we should give tix away, just make it more cost effective for families to go to games. Paying $12 for a three-year old makes little sense. Paying $4-6 for a three-year old makes a lot of sense. Doing military discounts like other OVC schools do, makes a lot of sense. Giving away free tix to this group, and that group doesn't solve the funding issues, it gets people here, but how does it help?
teacher_guy11,
Think Positive...lol...think "how you can"...not "why you can't...
The free ticket gets the family to the game. The parents can pay. By the way, approx. 50% of the students attend First Step without the parents.
As for there not being a First Step scheduled on a Sat. that SE plays.....your killing me..lol...A First Step can be scheduled anytime....Admission Director can take a look at the bball schedule and schedule a First Step at that time...First Step dates can be changed - they are determined in the Spring - well after the next years basketball schedule is posted and confirmed.
I've presented and worked approx. 30 First Steps...I know exactly how everything works in Academic Hall....trust me - this is not rocket science....its a matter of somebody making it happen...
What other reasons can you come up with...thats the problem with the University's mind set....its always why we can't....more important - its not a priority on the hill.....the program makes enough money to be maintained...
I like the idea of the free tickets for the students, but what about free tickets for the parent(s), Tidal? The majority of the time the parents come with their student to orientation. Not to mention there are only three orientations within the confines of the basketball schedule. Believe me...I'm looking at the schedule right now. And none of this year's home games even fall on a First STEP date.
It's been proven that the SEMO students will attend games if the team WINS. If not, you're gonna get what you have now.
And you can preach and preach to everyone to come out support this team because they work hard and so on. But until the team starts to win on a consistent basis, you're going to continue to have the 2,000 or so in attendance each game.
One decent season won't change things next year. Say the team wins 10 games this year and 16 games next year....crowds might increase by a couple hundred per game next season, but don't expect to automatically see 4000-5000 per game for a team that finishes at or around the .500 mark.
I would assume it won't be until Nutt's 3rd year here that we really turn the corner and maybe crack 20 wins. But if we go from 3 wins last year to 10 wins this year, to say 15 or 16 wins next year, I'll gladly take it.
Believe me, I know what First Step is all about...
What I'm saying - host a First Step on a Sat. that a game is scheduled...Send in the mail a free ticket for the student...
Do the high school theme the same night....
Heres an idea - Have you Marketing Dept. come up with a marketing plan....
http://rivals.yahoo.com/baylor/basketbal...
Boomer, think I saw this dude.
The First STEP program isn't designed to recruit students. First STEP is the university's orientation program for incoming students; students who are already coming to Southeast.
Didn't the Carr Report say that SEMO was already giving a lot of free tickets out as it was? The problem isn't freebies pre se, it is the base price ticket. My guess is that if you have a kids price, and lower the overall ticket price, sales would probably increase.
So they can get up and leave at halftime? Might have been the Jacksonville State football game this year there was a large group of high school students I believe in one section of the North bleachers. They all got up and left at halftime so that once-full area was now completely empty..
Have a night where all local high school students get in free...
Why not...at least they would make more money in concessions....it an awesome opportunity for the University to recruit STUDENTS....Just like the University's First Step Program - they could have the admission's office with the Registra's office set-up tables in each corner of the gym...Specifically invite the PEP CLUBS...have a contest between clubs through out the game and at half time....invite basketball teams and cheerleading teams....
guess what - there will be a lot of parents coming to the game with their kid - thats PAYING parents......
There you go King - consider this idea a donation...free of charge....just keep the proceeds in the Athletic Dept......lol
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Talk to your boy - Hos ..over the weekend
Hey, you weren't supposed to show that tape..
Marty - Coach Nutt mentioned on the Murray postgame show that there were several recruits in town. Any idea who was here?
are 3 nuts better than 2?
Video footage of semoredhawk, Tidal and myself hooping
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bp9mGU5Pv...
Yea, I'm an idiot. Coming from you thats means a lot. LOL
Weren't many students there. The student attitude at SEMO is that when it comes to football and basketball there are better college games to watch on TV. If our teams would turn it around and start winning more than the tune might change.
One thing I got a kick out of on Saturday night was walking out by the concession stands and seeing Dobbins waiting in line at the concession stand behind a bunch of Murray State fans. I think i'll let Tidal take the rest from here.
Again, it's about TICKET REVENUE. Our department doesn't much effort into TRYING to sell tickets. They do have a Ticket Department, but they don't make calls to try and bring in GROUPS.
I just can't believe that with all of the schools the S.E. Missouri area, that we don't focus more on bringing in those school groups and sell them tickets for $5 each.
I'd also be willing to bet money that there are some companies out there that could corporate outings as well. It doesn't always have 100-200 people in the group. It can be several groups of 20-30 people.
The students will only come if we start winning. I remember back in Jan/Feb. 2005, we started winning and had some very nice student crowds at games. WINNING is the only that will drive the students out in full force.
off topic - Who was the genius on here about a month ago predicting Gonzaga to be a flop this year? Zags are looking tough in the west. 15th in the country, probably a 4 seed. Just saying, do some research before inserting foot.
I can't believe that a 3ry old has to pay the full price of admission. That's a joke, but ok.
Boom,
I would kick you in your bad knee....lol
I wish the ushers would make people sit in their paid seats....and make the students sit in the student section...Its tough paying high dollar for those seats and being surrounded by people who didn't pay a dime.
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I really think the University should drop the price of admission... I believe the University would sell more tickets and make more money...
Who is in charge of promotions?
I'd post Tidal up for the 2-hand jam in his face, and then take semoredhawk off the dribble for the tomahawk slam in the lane.....lol
It's hard to gauge how many students are there actually nowadays, as none of them sit in the student section. I know there were at least 20-25 students sitting in the section I sit in, and there were many students sitting in the same section as Tidal normally sits in (including his seats and Shafer's seats, lol). It's just hard to say from watching the webcast and looking at section 101 to determine how many students are there nowadays.
Looking up to Boomer.. that is a wild stretch. There are very few people, that I actually do "look up to".
RCIR,
Inside joke with somebody that I've known for over 20 years. I'm glad that it amused you.
As for a higher power. NO way, the boy is from the bootheel...lol Another inside joke that your on the outside of... Anyways, I know for a fact that Boom knows basketball and the semoredhawk looks up to him...lol another inside joke...
Your basically an idiot. Not Kidden...lol
Redgardless, I think that everyone will agree that once we start winning and building some momentum like we had from 1998-2001, we'll start drawing more crowds to the games.
I just don't think that as an Athletic Department, we're doing anything to bring in GROUPS - boy/girl scouts, church groups, school clubs (FCA/Drug Free Youth), high school dance/cheer squads, etc.
It's not rocket science, but you have to have people on board willing to put forth the effort.
I just got the numbers from the ovc's website on the stats page. I don't know.
I thought Erik said last night on the post-game that SEMO led in attendance? Maybe I missed that.
As for 2 or 3 players away....time will tell....theres really no need to argue that point with you....you need to talk to Boom and get some more basketball advice..LOL...Just Kidden.., but I bet Boom agrees.....
-- Posted by TIDAL on Sun, Jan 24, 2010, at 12:55 PM
Also, I love how Tidal will make a point and then say "I'm sure Boom will agree" like Boom is a higher power or something. LOL!!!
I was looking at Conference Stats this morning.
Semo has had 4 home games in conference with a total of 7,974 which is an average attendance of 1,994 a game.
Martin has had 4 homes games in conference with a total of 8,995 which is an average attendance of 2,249 a game.
How in the hell is Martin averaging more fans at a home game than Semo?
For thee record Semo is 6th in home attendance for conference games only.
MUR 3810
AP 2800
EKU 2740
MOR 2672
MAR 2249
SEM 1994
@Roth, you mean how many people were sitting over there, or how many students attended? The cumulative answer was not many. There were some non-students over there. It didn't look like there was a full band either. It was also Rowdy's 5th big one, but they could have made that a kids get in free night, and it might have been over 4,000.
You have to keep it in perspective, no one is really going to games these days. However, SEMO still leads the OVC in attendance. As SEMO's attendance dropped, so did everyone.
semoredhawk: The crowd was 3,261. I suppose that's good all things considering. The Murray game used to draw 5,000-plus regardless when the game was played. This was a Saturday night, but we're still nothing special to watch and our program HAS been in shambles, so I guess 3,261 right now is the best we're going to do.
We'll have to starting winning A LOT of games if want to get back to the 4,000 average...let alone 5,000 average. The winning has to be from one year to the next. We can't have the occasional winning season and expect to draw 5,000 fans every game.
How many students attended last night. From the looks of things on the webcast, the student section didn't appear to be too full. So either 1) SEMO students are not BBall fans, 2) SEMO students have NO CLUE they get in FREE, 3) SEMO students are indeed BBall fans and know they get in FREE, but won't come to see a losing team.
I mean, YES our guys play extremely hard EVERY game and are competitive...but unless we start winning, no one will care. It's that simple.
@Tidal, I suppose you are right. I think it is going to take more than that. We will see.
Good defense for SEMO under Nutt is going to have to be 65 pts or less. At least until he gets players in here who can do both play offense and defense.
I almost hope Nutt goes with more Frosh than JUCO's so there are some long-term building.
I think we can all admit that it is a lot better than we thought it was going to be (except for those who thought we would win 10+).
I thought we had them on the run there early on last night and then the shots stopped falling and the turnovers started hurting us. From what i've seen and heard about the OVC this year Murray State appears to be heads and tails above everyone else in the OVC.
That all said I think we gave a good account of ourselves last night considering we didn't have Butler. Murray State was just too much to handle. Now its time to hit the road and take care of business against Jacksonville State and Tennessee Tech.
semoredhawk,
I wasn't at the game - thats why I didn't make any comments about the play...I simply reference the final score and the fact that SE was in the game against the all-mighty Racers...the big bad dogs of the OVC...
As for 2 or 3 players away....time will tell....theres really no need to argue that point with you....you need to talk to Boom and get some more basketball advice..LOL...Just Kidden.., but I bet Boom agrees.....
As for having good point guards-Yes you are right, we do have pretty good points and guards...Nutt offense requires more than just a couple of good guards and it requires a very good forward with hands that can pass and post...
I heard Nutt say those exact words at the Christmas Tournament...now he was talking to Cookson....LOL....who happens to have a lot of influence over Bobby and Otto.
Time will tell.
semosupporter hit the nail on the head. We have some good offensive players that can't defend and some good defensive players that are a waste when we have the ball. Losing Butler didn't hurt us much the last two games (we would have lost to Murray with him). But it will reallly hurt us on this next road swing, in my opinion. The one young guy who is doing fairly well on O and D is Marland Smith.
We HAVE to keep this team here over the summer. If this team could have been here all summer, what a huge difference it would have made. Take Johnny Hill for example. That weight would have been off by the time practice started, not by January.
Coach Nutt will tell you one of our main problems is our good offensive players can't play a lick of defense and our good defensive players can't shoot. This is one reason he really needs to keep the team here over the summer.
I don't think our PG play is that bad to be honest, nor our guard play overall. They are young, and given time to develop. They are very thin up front, height and muscle. You can't have 6'5 guys defending 6'10 guys.
@07, it was a good crowd last night, and it wasn't like an SIU special, where most of the crowd was SIU fans. Murray brought their usual, but there was a decent SEMO crowd there as well.
Tidal, how can you say that? You weren't even at the game.. Dobber was though. We are not two or three players away from beating Murray state, that is too simplistic, because Murray has depth, and size. We need at least three to four people just in front court help alone. We may, stressing may have as good of a backcourt as Murray, but they kicked our rear in up front. Aska is only a Soph. and that kid is only going to get better. He's a beast now in yr 2, what is he going to be in yr 4? If you don't start matching them in the recruiting game, were not catching them anytime soon. Having a Foust and Remembert, doesn't turn that around to a win. T
However, that being said, SEMO played very well in spurts last night. Just no depth, no size, and there is a real drop off beyond DT when you start going into the bench. Nutt knows this, he even admits this if you listen to what he says in his comments.
"Hey Supporter,
The line was 18. The final spread was 19. What were you thinking when Derek T. took that 3 as the buzzer sounded?"
I was thinking, here we go again. They beat me with a meaningless buzzer beater at EKU. I would have gladly taken the loss if SEMO could have got the outright win. But you have to take emotion out of it when doing this. I had a good night in the two valleys. I had Austin Peay, Murray St., EIU, and Drake.
Hey Supporter,
The line was 18. The final spread was 19. What were you thinking when Derek T. took that 3 as the buzzer sounded?
Wasn't SEMO supposed to add another position for fund raising? Did that ever get filled?
-- Posted by semosupporter on Sat, Jan 23, 2010, at 4:46 PM
Yeah, they hired a guy for it.
http://gosoutheast.cstv.com/genrel/12170...
semoredhawk,
Tonights game...case in point... We are two players from being in the to 3.... We don't have to out recruit Murray to beat them.. Coaching and good team play with a defensive foundation goes a long way... Time will tell... I think you boy Boom would agree with me...
Speaking of Boom,
YES. This guy can coach. As long as Nutt continues to coach and have the support of the team (like he does)..YES
With that said.. I see him doing much better than the results in your question.. Within the next three years - We will be hosting a first round tournament game on our way to Nashville..
Recruitment is crucial. We need to add a point guard that can run the floor and shoot both on the perimeter and drive the basket...& we need to get a post man... a very good post guy with soft hands...
Go ahead and ridcule my hosting a first round playoff and me sitting shot gun on the Nutt band wagon... I recall receiving that same ridcule for saying just the opposite of Edgar,,,
Time will Tell...
I agree that this is the best Murray team in a long time but when they go to Morehead they better bring their A game. After Morehead lost at Murray by 30 they have went on a 11-2 run and are playing very good ball now.
The ONLY thing that will bring back the fans is winning. Like someone said on here, the students get their tickets for free and don't come. You could let everyone in for free and you wouldn't get 500 more people in the stands now.
I agree 07. That's the best OVC team I have seen in several years. If they can get a 13 seed, the 4 seed they play better show up.
But there are no other OVC teams like that this year.
redhawk81: After watching tonight, it's going to take some hellacious recruiting for us to be able to compete with Murray State next year.
Watching the Webcast and it looks like a nice crowd. However, the "Rowdy's Birthday" promotion is getting old and kind of a joke?
Does Murray celebrate the birthday of "Dunker the Racer"? Or does the SIU celebrate the Salukis birthday? Hell their mascots don't even have names....just "Brown Dog" and "Grey Dog."
But I suppose you have to do whatever it takes to get people in the building. I like the idea of lowering prices to $5. However, there needs to be a strong push for GROUP tickets. Maybe throw in a slice of pizza and soda with a ticket. But you have a good GROUP sales, especially with the shape our attendance is in. Season tickets an walk-up sales won't do it.
Any word on if SEMO is recruiting Nick Niemczyk at TRCC? I heard Austin Peay, Murray, and Belmont are hot on his trail.
Wasn't SEMO supposed to add another position for fund raising? Did that ever get filled?
I think it is huge to keep kids here over the summer, and it is a recruiting point, just like early/Jan start is in football. Another factor will be if there are any cuts in athletic scholarships. I haven't heard that there will be, but you can only lay off so many employees, before other areas get hit.
If and when Nutt is successful in rebuilding the program, one of the determining factors in if he would want to remain here would be how much support he gets from the administration. Up next along that line of thinking is if he will be allowed to keep the team here over the summer. He thinks it is a must at least for the month of June. I know all about the budget cuts too. What I didn't know was the NCAA has a rule that the school must pay for a four year athelets fifth year so they can graduate. If they went to summer school for six hours each of their four years that would eliminate the need of paying for a fifth year. It's pay me now or pay me latter. But if you pay as you go (each summer)you will have a much better basketball program. I know the AD supports keeping the team here over the summer. Let's see if the rest of the administration does.
This is a very good Murray team. The best they've had in years. Without Butler I would be very surprised if we stayed within 20 of them. Points are going to be very hard to come by for us in this one.
Do you actually think cutting the price would make a difference? I don't. There's 10,000 students who have access to FREE tickets and there might be 100-200 students there for games MAYBE.
I wish the university would drop the ticket prices to get people in the building to get some excitement up about this program. This guy is has got these men playing defense similar to the Ron Shumate days. What is better, 10 people at $9 or 20 at $5? Think of the extra that would be made on concessions.
Redhawks07 and I agree on something. Imos is the best pizza around.
Redhawks07, thick or thin crust Imos? I prefer thick!
This is the silly, crazy mentality around here to think that, oh, we just need 1 or 2 decent players, and the rest takes care of itself. Not if the rest of the league has much better talent than you already have to start with. You really think, that we don't have to outrecruit our competition? That's why SEMO is where they are, and Murray is and has been where they are and will continue to be. Its small minded mentality. We won in 2000 because Tom Schuberth got SEMO better players, flat out. Ike Spencer and Reese were not enough to carry Murray by themselves. SEMO had the more complete roster, better overall talent. I can bet you my last $ that Murray doesn't believe for a second that Peay, EKU, Morehead, whoever, can or should be allowed to out-recruit them, and still allow them to play and win at a high level. That's how winners win, and well...Guess we shall see, that's what makes it interesting..What's the goal, and how do you get there? Granted, there is some talent on this team, but if the goal is to win the OVC.. we have got to beat our competition not only on the floor but in the recruiting game.
Dr Dobbins was in attendance Thursday night.
Tidal - would you want Nutt 5 years from now if his record was 50-91 overall, while going 26-58 in the OVC, with just 1 wining record in conference play and with just 1 OVC postseason win (a 1st rd game followed by a 17-pt loss in the semis)? Would you advocate for Nutt to still be here if that is what has happened come March 2014?
Hard to beat Imo's or Pag's but Cici's is pretty good as well.
redhawk81: I think we'll be a tough team to beat at home, but I'll have to see who Nutt signs for next year. We'll have basically the same team back, with the addition of Powell and a couple of others. If those "OTHERS" are major impact players, like a Bud Eley or Rod Johnson or Reggie Golson, we might have something. But as good as Murray is, it's gonna take a helluva team to stay with them. This year, we'll have to shoot the lights out to even keep it close. Next year, one would think we can compete much better.
If you guys want good pizza, Imo's is better than any pizza joint in the area.
Ice cream machine worked.
I don't think Nutt has to recruit better players than Murry State. Thats not going to happen...at least for several years if not more. In the OVC...all you need is two really good players with a average supporting cast (team) and some good coaching to be one of the top four teams in the OVC...
You add one Big Dog (player) to this current team and we are in the top 5 or 6 in the conference.... Next year, If Nutt can pick-up a Rembert, Williams, or a Foust caliber player with his coaching philosophy - SE is a top 5 team in the OVC.. If he can pick up two...SE will be a top 3 team...
Nutt can coach and more important than that...His players believe in him...You can see it on the floor and bench...This current team can compete right now in the OVC....they just need more talent in the post and another guard that can hit the jumper a attack the basket...
What I'm afraid of...Nutt will be gone within 3 to 4 years....Any coach that can come to SE (considering the shape of the program) and turn it around will be getting phone calls...as crazy as it may sound for a life time .500 coach...SE could very well be a stepping stone...I for one have no doubt that he could be successful on a bigger stage...the guy has the right coaching formula...he just needs the player...
Anyways...if this in deed turns out to be a stepping stone...then our program will be better off when he leaves.
Who knows...Maybe Nutt just loves the community to death and wants to retire as a SE coach. The last coach came in and had success and wanted to stay in the area for the rest of his life was fired. lol .I hope Nutt has a little better support...
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Anyways, I could not attend the game due to having my own game.. Question - Did the King attend? More important than that - Did the ice cream machine work?
I was also watching and the musical chair act wasn't bad. What happens at halftime of those games anyway? Was there nothing better to put on camera?
I didn't say we'd be a conference powerhouse next season. I just meant that we would improve enough by next year (I think) where Murray would have to play fairly well to beat us at home. They won't want to play us at home. This year, they probably think they're going to run all over us. Unfortunately, they are probably right. Next year, not as easy. You disagree with that '07?
I happen to know the student who hit the shot, live in the same dorm with him. He got $500 in cash. Still trying to convince him that he owes me a cut of the cash. lol
@ Devin, I agree. We ordered it this past weekend. Blah.. I mean I'll take a Cecil's pizza up here anyday over that. I'll take a Pag's pizza in Cape anyday over what Domino's threw together.
To be totally off the subject -- Domino's new pizza is really bad. I hate it. If I wanted a Papa Johns pizza, I'd order from Papa Johns.
$500 from Dominos I believe..
God, I hope they weren't giving out free tuition or something for that half-court shot. Someone else might get laid off to pay for it.
I told my buddy they should have made them run up and down the floor rather than just in circles for the musical chairs. Epic Fail!
Now, the kid making the half-court shot woke the crowd up last night. Congrats to him!
SEMO got the job done last night. Congrats to the team and to the coaching staff. Expectations are still pretty low for this season, but they have to just keep plugging away and working to improve. Our guys play hard and give it everything they've got. That's all we can ask for.
@ boomerang, now come on, you didn't think the musical chair act was just outstanding? That may have been the worst thing to hit the internet since Al Gore invented it.
Roth is sort of right on this one. SEMO is going to have to out-recruit the likes of Murray for a couple of years to be in that class with them. And really, to bring stability to it, you need to do it on the freshman end of things, with some JUCO's. Getting Powell in for the next two years helps, and there is some talent here, it just needs a little something extra. Right now, this year's Murray team may be in a different class than what this league has had in a while.
Team looked pretty good last night.
I admit it - I cheered louder when the student made the half-court shot than at any point during the actual game. And he swished it too!
redhawk81: While I think we'll continue to improve next season, I just don't see us being a great OVC powerhouse next season, unless Nutt brings in some MAJOR recruits. Murray State just reloads every year. They haven't went the mess we have, so they haven't had to spend years rebuilding their entire program. An OFF year for them is maybe 15-16 wins.
I think Nutt will definitely turn us into a major force in the OVC, I just don't see it coming as soon as next year. But I guess anything is possible. I'm still thinking next year we'll finish right around the .500 mark overall, say 15-15, give or take a couple of games.
I'll be disappointed if we're not a major contender for the OVC Championship in Nutt's 3rd year.
The Racers better enjoy this game against a team that is a bit hobbled. I think that starting next season, Murray will not look forward to coming to Cape Girardeau.
No better time for an upset. Im driving up from NE Arkansas for the game.