Sources tell me the following schools have head basketball coaching openings in Southeast Missouri:
Advance, Bell City, Clarkton, Doniphan, Ellington, Fredericktown, Kelly, Naylor, Twin Rivers and Woodland.
One source close to Clarkton's program says Rob Harlow may be the new head coach at Clarkton.
Has anyone heard what some of the other schools plans are this offseason?
Let the speculation begin.
While we are discussing basketball coaches on the move I thought I would give everyone a trivia question to answer.
Which semoball school has had the fewest head coaching changes in the last 20 years?
I'll have the answer to the question later this week.
I would guess SCC. but i have no clue though. I would assume there is a semo school that has had the same coach all 20 years or very close to it.
HaHa . . . I'm changing the trivia question to avoid confusion.
Which semoball school has had the fewest coaches since the 1990-91 season? (counting the 1990-91 season)
BackMajor . . . There is might be one LOL
Typo . . . There just might be one.
I'm going to go out on a limb and predict someone guess the answer to trivia question #1 before I get out of class and check back on this thread at 10:45 a.m. Thursday.
We need a more difficult trivia question. Trivia question #2. Which semoball schools have had the second fewest number of coaches since the 1990-91 season? I'm only counting the schools that have existed since 1990-91. If the school was established after 1990-91 it cannot be included as part of the answer.
I would be money in Vegas that no one guesses one of the three schools.
Coach Bidewell from Portageville? just a guess
If your counting all sports, I would guess Sikeston. They usually have pretty good stability. If your talking basketball, I would say Portageville. Coach Bidewell has done a super job there. Most small schools change coaches like you change sheets. Alot of small schools, especially in basketball have absolutely no patience with new coaches. They have the misguided notion that there is a line of cars a mile long that want to come to their school.
My guess would be Leopold.
Your have the correct answer to trivia question one. Portageville is the only semoball school to have one coach since the 1990-91 season.
Any guesses for trivia question two?
Puxico is open.
Scott City also.
The answer to trivia question #2 will be announced at 10 p.m. Thursday.
Don't forget the original topic of the thread was basketball coaches on the move. Has anyone heard where some of the big names are headed for next season?
My answer to trivia question #2 is Charleston. 3 coaches since '90-'91. Lennies McFerren, Bobby Spencer, Danny Farmer. 3 good ones too.
The second longest tenured coach at one school is Danny Farmer at Charleston. He has been there since 1998. Gregg Holifield started at Sikeston in 1999.
Sikeston has had just two head coaches since the 1990-91 season, Fred Johnson and Holifield. Charleston has had three in that span. Most others have had at least four to five and some probably up to 10 different coaches.
Semohoops, you seem to be right on. BTW call me if you need a fishing lesson! Ha!
Sikeston is one of the correct answers. We need two more schools.
Is there any chance Richland's head coach could be headed back to Puxico?
St. Vincent ... Bruce Valleroy has been there a while
Draw, would your "source" be semosportsweb, which last week posted the exact same info you're quoting as a "source" who told you?
I was unaware semosportsweb had posted anything about Richland's coach being interested in the Puxico opening. I rarely visit this website. I like semoball.
St. Vincent is correct.
We need one more school.
St. Vincent and Sikeston are two of the correct answers to trivia question #2.
The school no one managed to come up with is Southland. Southland, St. Vincent and Sikeston have only had two basketball coaches since the 1990-91 basketball season.
Why would a guy that just received Coach of the year go to Puxico? Someone said he is from there, if that is so that is a bad move on his part. Living and coaching in the same town is a disaster waiting to happen especially at Puxico. I seriously doubt there is any truth to this. The guy has created respect and showed dignity with his players it'd be pretty low and contradiction of him to leave.
You are correct on Sikeston being on of the few school with many coaching changes.
How many years have Bidwell been there? Any chance on his son taking over?
Does anyone know who got the Puxico job?
Bidwell has been at Portageville since the 1982-83 season.
Interest Me . . . I'm sorry the rumors around Richland's coach are not great news. Nevertheless, I've received this report from four sources this week. I cannot confirm this report with 100 percent confidence. I do believe it is a bad idea for coaches to coach in their home town. I don't think you ever get the respect in your hometown that you can get in another town. Nevertheless, Bloomfield's coach is originally from Bloomfield. He has been Coach of the Year the last two years. Therefore, hometown coaches occasionally have success in their hometown. I do not believe Richland's coach went to school at Richland. Therefore, if he was hired at Puxico he wouldn't exactly be coaching in his hometown.
The report may not be true. Nevertheless, this is a sports forum thread entitled Basketball Coaches on the Move. It is the appropriated location to discuss rumors surrounding where the big name coaches may be headed next season.
I've never seen this many coaching changes in one season. I anticipate as many as 15 semoball schools may have new head coaches next season. That's alot of changes. I reckon we will just have to wait and see what happens.
Tim Smith got the Puxico job
Where is Tim Smith from?
Who is Tim Smith? Any relation to Tubby Smith?
jh jv and asst coach Meadow Heights girls
Any word on the Twin Rivers job?
Richland's coach graduated from Bloomfield. I believe is resides in Puxico now, so that is probably why people assumed he might try to get that job. That makes perfect sense to me, plus Richland will be pathetic next year.
You know wilcox, you are a fine example of what NOT to be in a coach. Your a pathetic excuse yourself.
I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. I just am saying that Richland loses 4 experienced seniors. Three who have been starting varsity since they were in the 10th grade. Now they are left with a kid that will probably score 30 ppg next year because his team will need him to shoot the ball that much. Then they have the 6'10" kid that forces them to sit back in a zone the entire game, and has little offensive skills yet.
It will be a struggle over there next year, so if he was going to leave to be closer to where he lives and perhaps an opportunity to coach a more competitive team then maybe he should have.
Apparently Puxico hired someone else, and perhaps Coach Walker was never interested in the first place. So it doesn't really matter at this point.
I have spoke to Coach Walker and he was interested in the Puxico job at the time I spoke to him but he was not sure if they would re-hire him because he left Puxico as the baseball coach last year.
Has anyone heard who Advance hired?
Last week I heard it was going to be Shawn Kinder(leopold) or Adam Stoneking(oak ridge) , but then I heard that Kinder said "no".
Colby Rasmus on semoball???
I would be shocked if Oak Ridge's coach left Oak Ridge. But who knows.
Colby must have had a little time before warmups today.As far as the Oak Ridge coach heard Advance might have offered he declined. Bell City looking at Nate Wills.
Jim Bidewell has resigned as basketball coach at Portageville, and will remain as Ath. Dir. Jason Irby has been named head coach. Jim's wife Marion is having surgery on Thursday, please keep their family in prayer.
Advance looking at delta's girls coach
Who is Nate Wills?
I'll have more on Bidwell's accomplishments as a head coach later. His resignation is a shocking development. This is the first I have heard about it.
Nate Wills was Kellys basketball coach. He has ties to Bell City.
Everybody knows Jim Bidewell's accomplishments as a coach. He's the best coach in the state, over 500 wins, 5 state titles, yadda yadda yadda. This is the first I've heard about this as well. It was only a matter of time, I suppose. One can't do much better than what he's done. When he doesn't have great talent he still wins 17 games in a tough conference. When he does have talent, he wins state. Simple as that. He is the must humble person you'll ever meet and has done everything the right way. He is the standard.
He is a good coach. I don't know if he is the best coach in the state. There are alot of coaches in the state. But I cannot believe he resigned. I didn't see this one coming. I'm shocked.
I think "good" is an understatement. And in my opinion, and in the opinion of many others that know much more than I do about anything basketball related, he is the best coach in the state.
Andrew Halford, former player at Risco, will be the new head coach at Advance.
Advance gets a coach with great talent. I remember watching Halford play. He was very good at Risco.
Being able to play the game at a high level, in no way is an indicator of being a good coach. It's a great indicator of being able to play the game but not teaching it, or managing a game as a coach.
Your exactly right. Knight ( from Risco) is a prime example of that. Hopfully Halford is an exception.
Any truth to the rumor that Bernie's coach is heading to a college somewhere to teach/coach?
Jim Bidewell has been a huge asset to SEMO area basketball for a long time. His players were always coached well and acted right on the court. He was a true professional that demanded alot of himself, his players, and us officials. He will be greatly missed on the court but best wishes for the remainder of his school career. Good luck Jim!
Blam it on the Ref
I seriously doubt Bernie's coach is heading to a college to coach.
And just like Forrest Gump . . . "That's all I have to say about that."
Heard that Mark Dannenmueller took the Scott City job. Any word on the Twin Rivers job yet? Think it was announced tonight.
Mark Dannenmueller. I've heard the name. Tell me more.
Was an All-Stater at Scott City not too long ago, but thats all I know. Anybody heard what happend at Twin Rivers board meeting tonight? just wanting to know about that job
dustin benson got the Twin rivers job
Kendall Deason has landed the job at Kelly. This is a huge move for Kelly. Deason played high school basketball at Notre Dame. He also played college basketball at Three Rivers and Southeast Missouri State.
I think Kendall Deason played for Kelly when Cory Johnson coached at Kelly.
He played at Kelly. Not certain why it would be a "huge move".
I agree with Doby, don't know how it is a "big move". He could be the best coach in southeast missouri, but it doesn't change the fact that Kelly had no size and not very much talent either. They don't have much coming up either, as their junior high teams were not very talented either.
Not that its a big deal, but he didn't play basketball at SEMo. He played baseball there.
I am almost positive I saw him in a Redhawks basketball uniform. I don't know if he ever played.
Kelly fans remain optimistic. You have a great chance to win more games next season. I think Deason is a step in the right direction.
Are you sure Deason didn't play a year at Notre Dame. I know I saw him in a Redhawks basketball uniform.
Deason never went to Notre Dame. He and his twin brother Kent both went to Kelly throughout their school years. They then went to Three Rivers where Kendal played basketball and Kent played baseball. Kendal finished up college at Semo where he played basketball his junior year and baseball his senior year. If he can win 7 games next year he should get some sort of national coach of the year award. While I understand the need to get your foot in the door with your first job, it is always hard to go back home and coach no matter how much experience you have. Couple that with the fact that Kelly just doesn't have much talent will make it even harder. I know Kendal will put in the work to try to get this program back on its feet and hope he is successful at doing so.
I believe he was on both the basketball and baseball squads at SEMO.
As a head coach, he has no where to go but up at Kelly, where they won a total of zero games last year.
Deason's ESPN basketball profile:
Deason's SEMO baseball profile
My mistake. Thanks for the information.
Does Deason have any coaching experience? I know of 4 people that applied for that position and I was surprised to see that they hired Deason, especially if he has not coached anywhere before this year.
He may not have any coaching experience. I have know idea. But one of the things you are looking at when you hire a coach is landing someone that is likely to stay with your program. In my opinion, frequent coaching changes are counterproductive to the success of any program. I would say there is a good chance Deason will stay at Kelly since he is from Benton. It's a big signing for the Kelly basketball program.
I predict the Kelly basketball program is heading in the right direction. Patience will be the key. Don't expect 20 wins next season. But don't be surprised if Kelly is not back in contention in the near future. Deason played for Bess and most players that play for Bess build successful programs. Chad Allen is a great example.
In the end, you have to have talent. You can't win the Kentucky Derby with a Mule, even if he has the best trainer of all time.
Good coaches make talent.
NO, DRAWMULES - GREAT TALENT MAKES GREAT COACHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm not sure Deason has taken the job at Kelly. Drawmules where are you getting your information?
I have heard that Rob Harlow will be the new basketball coach at Clarkton. I am shocked by the resignation of Bidewell at Portageville, but obviously that is family related. I have also heard rumors about coaching changes at Senath, Advance, Delta C-7 and Fredricktown. Any news on those schools?
It's always remarkable to me some people are reluctant to give coaches credit or blame for good teams and bad teams. Do you believe coaches like Paul Hale, Ronnie Cookson and Dustin Hicks just happen to have good talent every year? I think not.
Kelly hasn't hired a coach yet. Or at least made it official. I don't know who Dustin Hicks is, but yes Cookson and Hale have had a lot of talented players over the years. It takes more than good coaching and good players to win, you got to have both. Neither one of them would have won at Kelly this year.
Sources say the legendary Jeff Null may be the lucky guy to take over at Naylor next season. Any thoughts?
I'm getting my information from the Cat in the Hat.
Talent is not created, it is cultivated. What makes a good coach is the ability to get the most out of the talent they have. The success that Cookson, McFerron, and Hale had were the results of first having the talent to work with, and second being able to motivate the kids to maximize that talent. You can be the greatest X's and O's guy....or the greatest motivator in the world...but unless you have some talent to work with you will not have a great program. Perfect example is just look at Hale's career. He started out at Delta in the mid 70's and during his stint there had a losing record in 4 out of his 8 years. The reason was simply because he really didn't have much talent to work with. If he had stayed there for the rest of his career he would not have had the success like he was able to do at Bernie and later at Notre Dame where the talent was more plentiful and he was able to win 20 games a year and get to a couple of final fours.
Dustin Hicks has been selected as the Coach of the Year in the SCAA Conference for two consecutive seasons. Bloomfield should be one of the favorites to win the SCAA Conference next season.
I a reckon we will just have to wait and see what happens folks.
""Good coaches make talent.""""
drawmules, you are exactly right. So many coaches want talent first and used that to make them look good. Bidwell is a prime example of a good coach!
I'm sorry but I don't agree with "coaches make great talent". Good coaches make players better, and more importantly, they put talented players in a position to be successful. They do a great job of taking advantage of the talents of their players. They do not make "non-talented" players "talented".
The ability to "see the floor", "having perfect muscle memory", "to know where the ball will come off the rim", "having perfect timing for blocks", etc....these are things that some kids have and some kids don't, they cannot be taught.
A perfect example is Shaq. Earlier in his career, he hired some of the best shooting coaches in the world to help him make free throws...how did that work out.
You can't teach talent, you can cultivate it, but it's not something you can teach.
I don't think that Coach Cookson looked at Otto jr. when he was in the 6ht grade and said, "I think I'm going to make you about 6'7-6'8, with a great jump shot, unbelievable rebounding skills, and we'll top it off with the ability to guard."
Blame it on the ref,
If Coach Cookson had started out at Chaffee instead of Scott County, do you think Chaffee would have more state titles than Scott County right now?
Unfortunately, the "want" to be great falls to superior talent and athleticism a lot of the time.
Dang, I've made legendary status already.
You don't think he could of turned some of the awesome athletes at Chaffee into all state basketball players????
It's very simple. If it was all about the coaches and coaching then Duke, North Carolina, Michigan State, Kentucky, etc. etc. wouldn't go after the best high school players in the country. These colleges only recruit 4 and 5 star athletes, McDonald's All-Americans, etc. If it was about anything else then they would recruit players that aren't as good and then they would magically become NBA prospects because of the great college coaching they will receive. If it was all based on coaching, for example, Tom Izzo would recruit kids from the Stoddard County Conference and go off and win 25 games in college. If "coaches make talent" then NBA teams wouldn't be clearing space to sign Lebron James, Dwayne Wayne, and others. Great players make coaches look good. That's why college teams recruit great players. That's why NBA teams sign great players. Every coach knows X's and O's. Not every coach has great players. It has nothing to do with a coach when SCC occasionally has 4 or 5 starters that are athletic enough to dunk a basketball.
In high schools around here, some schools have better athletes for whatever reason. Whether it's the culture and the pedestal that certain types of kids put basketball, or it's the youth programs that allow these kids to play basketball every year from an early age. That combination usually decides if a high school team has a good team.
Heard a guy say one time "You can't make chicken salad out of chicken crap." Talent doesn't hurt.
You can have talent and not win. Trust me. I've seen it before.
Kelly is probably waiting to hire a "legendary" coach. There seem to be more of those lately. No offense kidrayray....
I rarely visit that website. I love reading the newspaper articles on semoball.
Deason has not landed the job at Kelly despite reports on another website that he had landed the job.
You never know. Kelly may land a legend.
Are any coaches that have won state titles in Southeast Missouri interested in the Kelly opening?
Maybe they'll hire the "legendary Brian Brantner". Wonder how "legendary" Brian Brantner would be if he'd been coaching at Kelly the last few years??
What is so funny Larry Doby?
You just cannot say enough about the job Brian Brantner has done in the past at so many schools. He is one of the best X's and O's coaches in the game.
Yeah, right. Where's he coaching now??
Outside of the Bell City gold mine he walked into, where else has he won??
If you say so Larry Doby.
Draw, I'm curious why you make such a point about another website reporting that Kelly hired its coach...
Here's your quote, in this thread:.... Kendall Deason has landed the job at Kelly. This is a huge move for Kelly. Deason played high school basketball at Notre Dame. He also played college basketball at Three Rivers and Southeast Missouri State.
Why are you blaming another site?? That's YOUR post.
The source I received the report from continues to provide innaccurate information.
Brantner also won at Caruthersville.
Is Kendall Deason even in consideration for the job at Kelly? Is this some kind of a joke?
Do the folks at Caruthersville consider him "legendary"?
If you're already turning on your "source", maybe there's a lesson here for you.
Lessons are for piano players.
I do think Brantner is a good coach.
I'm sure your journalism teachers are talking to you about "hyperbola" and "selling a story". But it might be a good idea to apply some common sense here. Not every coach hired is the "greatest". They're not "legendary" just cause you've heard their name before. You should carry on in whatever fashion you choose to. We disagree. Nothing wrong with that.
I'm not trying to sell a story. I think Brantner is a good coach troll.
Is Brantner still at Cooter?
Brandtner had phenomenal talent handed to him at Caruthersville and Bell City. He didn't overachieve at either school. He won some games destroyed both programs and ended up being run out of town. I think the word you are looking for in describing him is "infamous" or maybe even "scandalous."
Brandtner is the new coach at Cooter. Hopefully he has matured and will make better professional and personal choices. He knows the game, but has avery long way to go to be considerd "legendary" by any definition. Southeast Mo. is a very hard place to get tenure as a basketball coach, he has been given another chance to rectify his behavior, I hope he makes the best of it.
Nobody destroyed the Bell City program. They ran out of talent.
Did Delane Beckwith give up basketball at Cooter?
Are you crazy, Branter one of the best X's and O's coaches in the area????? You apparently missed the final four when Bogan was a Senior. Brandter basically cost them the game.
He completely let Jefferson control every aspect of the game, even though he had the two most dominant players on the court in Bogan and Nymchk(spelling). He let Bogan chase his man around the 3 point line while Jefferson got uncontested layups over and over again. Jefferson was able to force multiple turnovers in the press b/c Nymchk was the only ball handler they had, and Brandter had him taking the ball out. So they immediately denied Nymchk the ball after the inbound forcing someone else to bring the ball up the court.
I'm not a Bell City fan, and Brandter and I have no ties whatsoever, this was merely the account of mine and a coach I went to watch the final four with that year. We both walked out of that gym saying Brandter cost them that game.
semoballfan1, you weren't the only ones leaving that day thinking he cost them the game.
What is the deal with Woodland. Heard they hired a head coach them changed their minds.
Who did you here they hired
I think the guy is good. I've sit behind his bench many times. I think he will do good things at Cooter.
Talked to a buddy of mine today. Said that Woodland offered the job to someone from Richland, he called and accepted and then hasn't heard anything back from Woodland. From what I've heard, he isn't very happy about the situation.
I know someone from Richland that might be interested in the position. However, it is not the head coach. That's all I can really say right now.
Jackson doesn't have an opening but they should...
mustang69- I will have to respectfully disagree with your comment about the Jackson basketball job. The coach they have now works hard, is professional on and off the court, is a good person, teacher and family man. With the way coaching is now, you are fortunate to have someone with these qualities. He treats his players right and acts right on the court. Southeast Mo. area is tough as hell on coaches in basketball, especially the smaller schools. Your coach has won 3 of the last 4 district titles. Consider yourself fortunate. I ref games for almost every area school and know the coaches well. You have one that is prepared all the time. I have no dog in this hunt, just an observation after being in the coaching business and refereeing voacation for 30 years.
did you see jackson's bench this year? They had 14 players on their Varsity and JV squads together. You're telling me that nobody in a school 1,600 goes out for the team because their coach respects them and treats them right. I don't buy it.
I can't answer that question, but maybe they are just going through a time where some kids don't want to be on time, act right in school and town, stop getting caught drinking, work hard at practice, get along with their teammates, stop their dad's from being " experts" and so on. I just stated their coach has alot of good qualities and probably needs to be supported instead of downgraded. He has won the right way and will probably continue to do so. Sit in the stands and cheer and realize coaches don't grow on trees, but "experts" do!
Semo Ref, I am not saying he has some good qualities as a person and that he is not a good family man. I don't consider myself an expert by any means but he is not able to motivate players to play and the reason there was a total of 14 players on the varsity and jv squad goes alot further and deeper than most people realize. I have no vested intrest in the Jackson Basketball Program and feel that district titles in 3 of the last 4 years is fantastic, but he can't and won't get past that, he truly does not respect the talent of the players and chooses to play players based on who they are and who their parents are, that is why he has lost alot of respect from his players. As I said I am no expert and your view is much appreciated but I can tell you that you are dead wrong about Coach Scott.
I understand we have opposing views and I respect yours. Hopefully things will get straightened out. Good day.
Mustang69. You mean to tell us that this coach, whose team has won the district in 3 of the last 4 seasons has done this by playing his "favorites"?????!!!!! WOW!!! Just think if he played the best players????? Jackson would be the 2 or 3 time defendind class 5 state champions!!!!!!
I'll say this. It always has been, and will always continue to be darn near impossible to fix stupid...
Isn't this topic "Coaches on the move". Not coaches that should just quit cause some people don't like them. I don't know Coach Scott. If I did, it doesn't matter. He's not on the move. Try to stay on the topic. I have got deleted for a whole lot less. Disappointed in the folks from Semoball.com......
Josh Eftink - Kelly
Jeff Berry - Ellington
Josh Eftink is the new coach at kelly
Tell me more about Jeff Berry . . . I don't think I know Berry.
Josh Eftink??? So much for the hiring a legend theory.
Randy White back as delta girls coach???
Kelly had the chance to hire a coach with a very, very solid winning record, but they passed.
Doesnt surprise me. Who was it?
Berry played at Van Buren and has been the Ellington assistant coach for the last 2 years.
Any word on the Doniphan job?
Who do you guys think is the best coach in the Tri-County Conference and Bootheel Conference?
Brian Brantner is the best coach in the Tri-County Conference.
Jim Vaughn is the best coach in the Boothell Conference.
I think he is a very good coach. LOL. I haven't been reluctant to admit the guy knows his stuff. I can remember two years ago Bernie took a team into Bell City and should have probably won the game by 20+ points. However, Bell City ran an offense that gave them the best chance to win the game, Bell City hit their shots and the coach managed his timeouts well once he had a lead. Bell City won the game. Bernie never won a game against Bell City while this coach was on the bench at Bell City. I predict he wins alot of games at Cooter. Time will tell.
I might add the guy allows his star players to put up 30 or 40 points a game and I absolutely love watching this style of basketball.
For someone who watches so much basketball, you actually know very little. "he managed his timeouts well once he got the lead". "he allows his star players to put up 30-40 a game".
What do you have against the guy? Look at his records everywhere he has coached. I've sit behind his bench and watched him coach several times. He knows how to draw up plays and control a game. He is not responsible for destroying Bell City's program. Bell City ran out of talent. And the team that beat Bell City in the state title games was very good. I think this same school beat Scott County Central the next season. But I'd have to do the research to double check. Give him talent and he knows what to do with it.
Seth McBroom is the best coach in Tri- county.
What kind of talent does Puxico have?
Are they capable of winning a lot of games this year?
And influx of transfers put Bell City where they were. Nobody destroyed the program. Bell City is simply back to where they've usually been. I'm not trying to sound mean, but that is just how it is.
Puxico does have some talent coming up from the jv, and a few pretty good players left of varsity. It will be interesting to see how puxico plays without their best player being lost to graduation this year. Regardless, puxico should be better than this last years team.
Without restating the obvious, Scott county Central, Notre Dame, etc, who will be the powers of next year?
Cape Central, Bloomfield, and Oak Ridge. I could list more but these are the three I am most confident about.
I might add I think next year will be the first year in a very long time that Cape Central finishes with a better record than Notre Dame.
Jacob Tolbert might have something to say about that.
Cape Central should have a decent year and I think Notre Dame will be down some but Tolbert will be a force as well as the big guys from Cape Central. If Tolbert does not try to do to much he will be fine. I think the same problem will apply to Oak Ridge with Bret Thomas. If he tries to carry the hold team it will be a long year for Oak Ridge. I did not get to see Bloomfield last year. Do they have any dominating players?
What about Zalma with Sttotts and Simmers? Also, what about Leopold? Jackson should be as good if not better just because of the talant they have to draw on. Will Bernie have much back?
Sikeston loses two players. I would imagine they will be stout as usual. I think you have Sikeston, SCC, Notre Dame, and then the rest. Charleston and Kennett are in the next tear.
I saw Charleston at the Christmas Tournament last year when they played SCC and gave them all they wanted most of the game. They were young and could surprise some people this year.
IMO some of the best teams next year in no particular order will be Kennett, Cape, Sikeston, Charleston, SCC, Jackson, Oran, North Pemiscot. Also Notre Dame will be decent, but lost alot of senior leadership and ability.
I agree North Pemiscot will be very good. It could be their year. Oak Ridge had most of their players returning. Kennett will be strong. I'm not sold on Oran yet. Oran could be the best team in an extremely weak district.
Why do you think Jackson will be among the top teams next year. I'm not disagreeing. Just trying to learn more.
I'll respond to your question about Bernie when I get home tonight. I cannot do it right now. The response is too long to type out on a cell phone.
Draw, What about Otto, can he carry SCC? I thought towards the end of the year the other SCC players were starting to step up. Oran will have their big man back but will he have any help? I wonder if Bret Thomas will try to do to much for Oak Ridge. Will that hurt? He can carry a load but you still need all five. What are your thoughts on Leopold? The summer shoot outs start in early June with Chaffee. I guess we will start seeing what may happen then. Although, all the players don't always show up in the summer with work and all the other things that go on.
There is a major basketball tournament at Dexter in July. I think it has over 60 teams in it. We may learn more then. I'll answer your questions when I get home. Before midnight hopefully.
I think you answered your own question, Zalma does have stotts and simmers and exactly nothing else. Stotts is the tallest kid on the team at about 6'0 on a good day. Bigger teams will limit them to one possession at a time and they will get multiple possessions from offensive rebounds.
Leopold loses two guys 6'4+, it's going to be hard to replace them.
Oak Ridge has more than just Brett Thomas. Looking back at the box scores of a lot of their games, their scoring was pretty balanced.
SCC will be unstoppable again next year. They lose an extremely good player in Bobby Hatchett, but they bring back 4 starters from a championship team, plus the Steward kid that missed the second half b/c of grades. Also, they have the best player in the area, in Otto Porter.
As for Bernie, I only saw them play one game this year, and that was against Sikeston. The only player that comes back is Jordan McGowan. Their JV did not look very talented at all.
draw, I think Jackson will be pretty decent because of several returning starters and a pretty good JV squad. Oran returns 4/5 starters and SCC will be lights out with their returners including a super player in Otto JR. Cape returns 3 starters(need a pg) but will be good as will Sikeston who returns the best pure shooter in the area plus outstanding quickness and a program that is good from top to bottom. North Pem was young and athletic and learned to win and also their young coach has now had some experience. Also keep an eye on Caruthersville, they may be flying under the area radar but are very talented and will be coached well.
I anticipate Oak Ridge, Leopold and Scott County Central will be in the same district next year if Oak Ridge drops to Class 1. Brett Thomas won't have to carry Oak Ridge. Oak Ridge has plenty of talented players. However, Thomas has the ability to take over a game. I antcipate Scott County Central will be the favorite to win the district. But perhaps Oak Ridge will compete with Scott County Central in the district championship. With this being said, Leopold beat Oak Ridge twice last season. Oak Ridge will have to get past Leopold to get to Oak Ridge.
Here are my thoughts regarding Bernie . . . Bernie graduates four of their five starters. Bernie may not have an extremely young team next year. However, anytime you graduate four of your five starters you can expect the unexpected the next season. Bernie will start a varsity team with limited varsity experience. Bernie may have a glaring weakness at the pg position next season. When I look at the roster,I am unable to determine who will be selected to handle the responsibility. I predict Bernie will win 15 to 18 games. But it's hard to predict what a team will do that has one returning starter. Bernie may benefit from being in a weak district next year. I wouldn't count out Bernie in districts. However, I anticipate there will be a more talented team in the sectionals or the regionals. However, this may only be the case if the teams in the sectionals and the regionals are better this year and than what they were last year. But I predict someone from the south will advance to state next season. I would keep a close eye on Cooter, Hayti, South Pemiscot and Portageville.
Typo . . . Oak Ridge will have to get past Leopold to get to Scott County Central . . . I've spent too much time on the road today.
If I had to pick a team to advance to state today in Class 2 I would probably go with Hayti. But you just cannot count out the legendary Brian Brandtner at Cooter. Class 2 will be wide open next season. It may not take Brandtner long to get back to the state final four.
"Legendary" Brian Brandtner? drawmules, you are too funny.
Did Wardmules and Brandtner use to date or something?
I'm Puxico's new basketball Head Coach. You guys seem to know your stuff on here. Give me your opinion on Puxico. I welcome both good and bad opinions.
I have heard there is an opening at Campbell with Steve Fowler taking another job.
I think you will have some talent to work with coming from the JV. They beat Leopold last year at the JV level for 1 of Leopold's four losses. I have read alot about talent vs coaches on here and have my own opinion. I have seen good talent waisted from lack of a coach and good coaches make average talent into a good "team". I think it will probably depend on you next year. How you mix with the kids.
Wilcox: Mancrush on Brandtner and Girlcrush on "you know who."
Good luck TIDAL. Puxico is notrious for carrying in new coaches on their shoulders on his way in and chasing them with torches on their way out. The varsity isn't very good as they lose the team leader in scoring and assists as he was the same person. That Martin kid will be a pretty good Jr. though.
Is Steve Fowler legendary? Do sources indicate if he can he draw up plays? Any word on where he is going?
I don't know what Puxico has coming back next year. If they stay in the same district they were in last year they should have a chance. I anticipate the district will be wide open.
Is Fowler the coach at Campbell? Why would he go anywhere?
Troll, what kind of bait are you using?
RoundballKing says he's heard Fowler is leaving Campbell. However, he did not indicate if this has been confirmed or if the source has been trustworthy in the past. RoundballKing may or may not be correct about this because he has not indicated how trustworthy his source is and it has not been reported by other sources.
Larry Doby, just trying to get caught up with the lingo around here. Some of it seems a bit strange.
I don't think Fowler is leaving Campbell.
Class 1 you will see SCC win it again with no competition. Class 2 will be extremely weak and if a team like Portageville gets it together they might be a team to watch. Class 3 will be Kennett and Charleston. Class 4 Sikeston will once again be the team to beat. Class 5 look for Cape Central to be good.
Do I here right that your best player might be a freshman next year. My two nephews played at a cape tournament this last weekend and they keep telling me about a kid from Oak Ridge who is dunking already and was the best player out of all the 8th grade teams.
Everyone on here says Brett Thomas is the best player on that team but my brother says that this 8th grader is going to be the best player on your team next year.
how good is this kid.
Portageville could get to state next year. But I do not consider Portageville the favorite next season. I like Hayti. Advance is another team worth watching. Perhaps Oran is the favorite in the north district. But time will tell. We don't know how good Cooter will be next season. Time will tell.
Let me throw another team into the list. ST. VINCENT. It will be interesting to see if St. Vincent moves back into Class 2 District 3 next year with Saxony Lutheran moving to Class 3 and Oak Ridge moving to Class 1. St. Vincent has an outstanding coach. They also had a respectable team this season. This might be a team to watch next season. I don't know what kind of talent they will have next season. However, the legendary Bruce Valleroy has had his share of winning teams at St. Vincent. He has had winning teams in 12 of the 16 seasons he has coached at St. Vincent.
Does anyone know what St. Vincent has coming back next season? I sit behind Valleroy's bench this season during a couple of games. I was very impressed. If he can get next year's team to play with the energy he coaches with his team could be a force in Class 2. Is there a chance St. Vincent will move back into Class 2 District 3 next season?
Oak ridge will be down when you lose your starting point guard and role players have to step up to be key players and be in charge it's different, star players- like Thomas and Now graduated Garrett light, create easy open oppurturnities for role players like mangels rohde Elam and lights younger brother.
you did not see oak ridge play to much this year. Light and Thomas spent most of the season inside or at the high post. It was different when someone played them man-to-man, and that never happened. Oak Ridge has a lot comeing back next year.
As for the 8th grader that capecounty was talking about. He will not be the best player on the team, but wouldn't surprise me at all to see him playing a lot of minutes on the varsity next year. Thomas and Elam are better than him by far, but after that who knows. And yes, he can dunk pretty easily and he's not even that tall only about 6-1 6-2.
I think Oak Ridge will be very good next season.
The 8th grade kid you are talking about has a real upside.I think he can be a real player if he keeps working. Probably have some freshmen growing pains.Can be a real horse inside.Oak Ridge also has a 6'6 or 6'7 freshman that has a 7'0 wingspan that could also see some varsity time if he works hard in the summer Oak Ridge has 3/4 starters coming nack next year from a team that was 22-5 These kids will help. Be an interesting year. Most of the boys are playing alot of aau & summerball.
I wouldn't count Bernie out next year as there is a possibilty of 3 or 4 players coming back to play that did not play there prior year that are pretty good basketball players. they also have a group of freshman next year that went 14 and 1 and should make a good group couple years from now.
I think next year's Bernie team will lack experience. Experienced teams tend to perform well in the state playoffs. However, Class 2 will be extremely weak next year. But I would think there will at least one Class 2 team stronger than Bernie next year in Southeast Missouri.
Oak Ridge Fan
What did the young man do to increas his leaping ability? When I watch in the regular season for the 8th grade he did not seem to be able to jump like that. What happened?
TIDAL, Puxico varsity will be alot better than last year. As they have 5 pretty good players. They will have to replace Puxico's best player John Smith. They have a decent big man in Corey Davis, they have a ok ball handler, then they have 5-6 players from their jv moving up on varsity this year.Nathan Martin will have have to step up this year. But, in my opinion they will be better than last year. Like i said, they will have to replace 23+ points a game. But, i think they will be better.
Bernie had there athletic banquet last night and we are certainly going to miss our 4 seniors we are losing next year. 2 going to college to play baseball and 2 going to college to play basketball. we will definetly be inexperienced next year but I forsee good years coming after that.
BMuleFan, i still think that bernie will be competitive next year. They have a chance to win districts next year; however, i think oak ridge will be the favoirtes.
I have heard Oak Ridge will be class 1 next year in basketball. I don't know if that is right or not but it is possible.
Why is everyone talking about Oak Ridge? They won't win the Cape tournament. If they are in SCC's district, they won't win that either. So whether or not they will be good or not, pretty much doesn't matter unless you're a parent of a kid that plays there. Good luck being 19-7 next year with 'some kid that can dunk it easy' with nothing to show for.
With an outlook on life like that I am surprised you get out of bed in the mornings! Looking forward to something and working hard for it is what makes this a wonderful world. Win or lose, all that really matters is you gave it your very best shot, no regrets.
I guess that's why I'm still in bed. :(
I actually agree with you. But I still wonder why every other message is about Oak Ridge all the sudden. The only thing worse than being a Class 2 team is being a Class 1, 3, 4, or 5 team. It's really unfortunate for them. They could probably win their Class 2 district next year.
But yeah, there is more to a basketball season than just who wins districts and beyond. I feel sorry for the schools who have good teams that never get into any conversation, simply because they will not win state. There are a lot of good teams out there and they shouldn't be judged only on whether or not they win districts. After all, there are several tournaments throughout the year that are much more difficult than someone's district tournament, and much more impressive to win.
Is Oak Ridge really going to be Class 1 next year? Has anyone else heard that? I trust you deervalley, I just wondered how sure you were.
Does anyone know how Leopold will be this year in basketball? I think they are losing two starters from this year. Their coach is great. I think that is a huge advantage in high school basketball. How are their younger guys coming up? Any thoughts on Leopold basketball?
Yes, 'KRidge will be class 1 next year.
The 8th grade kid spends a lot of time in the gym also is trained by bj smith
Oak Ridge has moved down to class 1 won't know if they will be in SCC district or the district out west as they were a few years ago.Leopold has an 8th grade kid that could be a really good point guard if he can develop a jump shot.I think he will see some time on varsity. Losing 6'4 and 6'6 will be hard to replace. They will be a lot smaller this year. But when you have a good coach you can have very good season.
I bet there are a lot of teams in southeast mo that would love to have a 19-7 record even if they might not have a shot at a district title. 19-7 season is a lot easier to watch than a 3-18 season OR had a few years ago.Who's the team your pulling, for would a 19-7 record be a successful season if they did't win their district?????
Brad Adams, who was an assistant at Cooter last season, has been hired to take over the Woodland program.
Interesting move. The Stoddard County Conference will be unpredictable next season. It should be interesting to see how Woodland performs. I think Dexter and Bloomfield will be favorites to win the conference at the beginning of the season. Nobody really knows what the other six schools will do in this conference next year.
The only schools with returning coaches in this conference are Bernie, Dexter and Bloomfield. I wonder we have ever seen five head coaching changes in this conference in the same season before this year? There are only eight schools in the conference. Five of the eight schools will have new coaches next season. That's definitely unusual.
Leopold will miss Anthony and David, but they have 3 returing starters Seiler, Bonsack, and Stroder. They have alot of talent from the jv coming up. I agree the 8th grader will need to spend a lot of time in the gym working on his jump shot. In my opinion Leopold has the best coach in the area. I look forward to seeing what next season brings. Another 20 plus win season maybe? I bet Coach Kinder will have them ready when the time comes.
Leopold could have problems inside. However, they will probably have four guys that can shoot the lights out. Two will be sophmores and two seniors. The 8th grader has a brother that will be a junior next year that is just as quick. both will need to develope their mental game as much as anything. They could have three sophmores on varsity next year seeing some playing time. One played as a freshman this year, Stroder. The other two Elfrink and Jansen could see some playing time also. Leopold could still be 6'3", 6'3", 6'2" and 6'4" are bigger depending on how people grow. Coarch Kinder will have them working hard and even more important he has some kids that want to work hard from top to bottom so by November who knows what might happen. Hopefully another good year.
That link is for the school classification, correct, not necessarily for the classification for each sport. I don't think they have set the numbers yet for each sport for 2010-2011 to determine where the cutoff is for the sports. At least, it's not updated on the website yet.
Congrats. to Coach Adams, he's is a hard working young man. He loves teaching the game of basketball.
Oak Ridge and South Iron will be moving to Class 1.
That is the classification breakdowns for basketball since it has 5 classes.
Got it, thanks. I'll be curious to see the effects on the baseball classification for next year. Hear rumors of some movement there for some local teams.
Is the upcoming year the year for the basketball districts to be reestablished? Do they cahnge each two years?
No, new districts have not been released yet. I think, and I could be wrong, but I think that happens in August. And yes, every two years they redo classifications and districts.
I hear Valle will be rejoining us in class 1.
You are correct. Valle Catholic will join Class 1 in baseball. I spoke with a source close to the Valle Catholic program last week. He informed the school has talented young pitching. I anticipate Valle Catholic will be an immediate favorite to win the state title in Class 1 next season.
Thanks, and keep me posted. When you are in SCC district you can only hope they get reshuffled and let someone else have all the fun for a while. At least you may get to get farther avway from home for once.
deervalley and everyone!
I think SCC will be beatable this year. I know many of you probably still consider them the favorite to win it all again this year, and I am probably in a vast minority in even questioning their ability to continue the legacy. I am definately not saying they won't be good though, because they will still likely be the best Class 1 team in the state, possibly even the best team in Southeast Missouri of any class. I just feel like they are losing a lot with Bobby Hatchett graduating. It kind of seemed like he held them together. However, they are returning all their other starters from last year if I remember correctly. Also, they will have (in my opinion) the best basketball player in Missouri next year in Otto Porter. I don't really know what to expect from them. It seems like I never can really decide what I think about it. I was just looking for some more opinions. What do you think?
I hope Scott County Central and Oak Ridge schedule each other in the regular season. It will be a big game if they play each other.
If Oak Ridge could schedule Scott County Central they would play everyone in that conference.Its been talked about OR trying to rejoin that conference. But this is just talk.
just looking at Class 1 District 3...it was only a 7 team district. Leopold and Zalma are in there, so unless MSHSAA does a complete overhaul, I would imagine Oak Ridge would be plugged in as the 8th team.
But you just never know.
I think the conference could use Oak Ridge.
I agree I believe also SCC is beatable. Any given team can be beat any given day it depends on who shows up to play. They still will be a very tough team to beat. Hands down Otto is a very strong threat, but he can't do it all alone. Bobby and Otto was the main two now one it's down to one. They did have a couple that did some scoring but not on a consitant level. I see in the very near future that they will be on the down hill slide, but you know they always seem to get someone to move in to play for them. I don't see Oak Ridge being all that great next year don't get me wrong they will still be good. I'm looking forward to next season to see what happens.
No Class 1 team in southeast Missouri will beat SCC next year. Oak Ridge vs. SCC would be a 'big & exciting' game only for fans of Oak Ridge. The game itself would be a snoozer, just like SCC vs. Richland last year, etc. Bobby Hatchett not being on the team next year due to graduation will benefit a handful of BIG schools only next year that play against SCC. But against everyone else, who cares? I'm sure they have someone capable of bringing the ball up the court and passing it to Otto Porter for 32 minutes against these little schools with 1/3 of the athleticism Scott County Central has.
Think about it. Nobody played SCC within 40 all the way to state. They lost Hatchett but they get back Stewart Johnson who can really score and do some of the things Hatchett did. They have all their other starts back. Otto is the man, and will be even better next year. Nobody is beating them.
SCC will be at the top of the food chain next year but when you are at the top you only have one way to go. I am sure they will win more than their share but I am also sure they will lose a few. Probably more than last year.
Scott County Central will continue to be the favorite in Class 1.
Who will be the favorite to advance in Class 2 basketball with Oak Ridge moving to Class 1 and Bernie I understand is losing a few seniors that had a big impact on this past year's basketball success. I am a lot more familiar with the area's class 1 teams. Does anyone have any predictions for Class 2?
Hayti has the potential to be strong. Cooter has just hired one of the best coaches in the area. Time will tell what happens. Portageville will have have talent but will have to undergo a head coaching transition. St. Vincent could be a team to watch. Class 2 will be weak. Several teams will have a chance. Time will tell. Too many changes in Class 2 to offer a solid prediction this early. This year's talented teams lost most of their players to graduation or moved to Class 1. Two of next year's favorites have new head coaches. Several other Class 2 teams also have new head coaches. Hayti is the team that stands out. They shouldn't have to undergo a great deal of change heading into next year.
No one in class 1 or 2 can touch SCC.
Disagree. I think they can. Whether or not they will is a whole different story.
Delta was closest to SCC last year in their state run at 31 I believe. Stewart Johnson will take over for Bobby, not as good but still better than any one else. No class 1 team will come close to SCC next year. Oak Ridge SCC would be a joke. Delta played well vs SCC some how, atleast for a class one team. They wont have enough basketballs on the court next year with Chase Crowden shooting all the time. Shawn Kinder is not the best coach in SE Missouri, he left a team to go to another team that anyone could win with, that talent and size and Leopolds crappy schedule playin Marquand and Woodlan all about 5 times each. Wait til they have a bad year and he quits on them, just like he did somewhere else. Heck, he almost went to Advance this year
You are correct about a few things you said. First of all yes it will be almost impossible for not just a 1A team to compete with SCC but for a lot of teams at any class. Delta will be somewhat better than they have been in the pass, but for your information Coach Kinder is the one that coached this upcoming group from the fifth grade unitl they were 8th graders. As far as Leopold goes, Coach Kinder took the same group of guys his first year there that only won 12 or 13 games and finished with a season record of 21-4. This past season Leopold set a school record of having back to back 20+ win seasons along with being state ranked both years. Leopold has also produced a few I don't recall how many, that has been selected for All-State and went on to play collegiate ball. I do believe that you are right by saying Coach Kinder is not the best coach in SE Missouri, but I truely believe Coach Kinder is right in the mixed of them. I also heard that there where a few other schools interested in him for coaching. I think that it speaks highly of our young coaches in this area. The SE area has got a tremendous amount of talented coaches and players that have represented us very well here lately. It will be fun to see how things pan out in the next few years, but I agree with some of the earlier post. Leopold and Coach Kinder conrats on a good thing you have going, I hope this fuels the fire a bit. If I am not mistaking the best is still yet to come with Leopold.
Coach Kinder has the boys at Leopold working harder than ever before. Whether they can handle SCC, I only hope they get the chance. At that point it will be mainly between their ears. That and injuries were the problem the last couple of years. But each time it gets easier. Whether SCC will be unstoppable, alot depends on injuries, grades, etc.for all teams. Leopold is also working on improving their schedule. I have heard of a few changes but do not know for sure.
I have heard to that Coach Kinder is having them work hard and the important thing is that the boy's want to work even harder for him. I agree deervalley that it will come down to more mental game than anything if they get the chance to play SCC. I also believe that the very best is yet to come out of Leopold. I think the best record in Leopold's history of 23-5 from 1986-87 could be broken. I also have heard that the schedule may be improving. I hope that works out for them. To beat the best you have to play the best. I would also like to congratulate Coach Kinder and the boy's for what they are doing. It has been a while since Leopold had this much pride back in the basketball program. I look forward to catching a few games and see how it all goes. Keep up the hard work Coach Kinder and boy's it will pay off.
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