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Any word on who is in the running for the job?
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Pretty sure this search begins and ends with a Timmons.
Frank, the assistant coach.
Has to be one of the most attractive job openings in Missouri. I would think the search wouldn't begin or end until all the applications were in and reviewed.
What if an NBA coach applied? Would he not be considered?
Are you being serious? I don't see Doc Rivers or Erik Spoelstra stopping by any time.
Did the NBA coach graduate from SCC? If not, they seem to be at a disadvantage in the application process. I'm in agreement that this search probably begins and ends with a certain former Australian league basketball player.
Rumor actually has it that Timmons has already accepted a position with SIU as a assitant coach and recruiter...
Just What I hear!
Has to be one of the most attractive job openings in Missouri. I would think the search wouldn't begin or end until all the applications were in and reviewed. - dustin ward
Are you kidding me? I would imagine that you are smart enough to understand that talent and the chance to go far in the playoffs are a lot of times not the most attractive part about a coaching job.
Coach Wright won 4 state titles at SCC as an assistant and a head coach, and they were trying to fire him within a week of the championship, so that they could bring in someone else.
Now put yourself in the position of someone who is applying for this job, you are going in with the reality that it doesn't matter what you do, you can be fired at any moment for any reason.
Dustin, If there was a reporting job open for a professional team that you loved, would you move and try to take it if you knew the people that previously held that position were treated unfairly because they were not from the same city as the team you cover? Happiness and job security hold more attractiveness than winning some basketball games.
Well said, asdf.
Well, we see how the hometown flavor worked out a few years back, didn't they get rid of him and then he hauled his highly talented boys off to Sikeston?
When it comes down to it, the only way SCC will be satisfied with any coach is by finding the fountain of youth for Ronnie Cookson or clone him.
I can almost visualize a Hologram Cookson patrolling the sidelines now...
Nothing attractive at SCC from what I can see. "Championships or Bust" turned into "Championships, not enough" this season...
Should be interesting to see what happens, I'm sure it will keep the basketball forum alive over a usually low key summer...
What if a NBA guy applied? Seriously Dustin? Never sense to amaze.
*cease
No, NOT well said asdf.
It's unbelievable what some of you people post on here.
First, SCC did not try to fire Coach Wright to bring in someone else. Where is your proof of this allegation?
Second, how was Coach Wright treated unfairly? Again, where is your proof of this allegation?
You need to think before you post. And that includes yah-yah and secretagentman.
hey hey hey know mohican, just whot are you saing Bucko? i happens to like yaya and secetagentzan so just lay off pal. eerybody knows scc is crazy over bball coaches this days. why evern melvin purter will tell you cause he once was just a coach there.
Mohican,
Reported by Kevin Morris, his job was basically save by an outcry of support and the fact that a few people and players spoke on his behalf at the board meeting.
If you're going to fire someone who has been that successful, u have someone in mind to replace him with. If he had done something that deserved firing, those people would not have been able to save him.
As for my proof that he is treated unfairly, how could it not be obvious. He wins 3 straight championships and they try to get rid of him less than two weeks later? How is that not being treated unfairly?
The funny thing is that the rumors were circulating around the Christmas tournament that he was going to be fired, that board members told him to get his resume updated. Then he wins a state title, which no one thought was gonna happen at the time. And then all the stuff went down before the board meeting. Making the rumors at Christmas look very reliable.
Secret agent,
I agree that Cookson will be the only guy they are ever happy with. However, the Porter you are talking about got himself fired for something he had already gotten in trouble for earlier. It was completely non basketball related.
Reading bearcat1forall's post is like reading the transcript from a DUI stop.
So many faulty assumpions, where to start...
The facts are, there were supporters at the meeting, and it was voted 4 to 3 that Kenyon be offered a contract. For anyone to report that his job was saved as a result of the "outcry" is pure speculation.
You can obviously, absolutely wish to fire someone without having "someone in mind to replace him". And that was the case in this instance. Timmons didn't even express interest in coaching at SCC until after Christmas and even when he did he only expressed it in a manner that was more like "maybe I'd like to coach there someday" rather than a "I want to replace Kenyon and be coach next year".
Your proof that he was treated unfairly is non-existent. A coach can win 3 championships and still deserve to be let go. He can most definitely have three people on the board feel he deserves to be let go and that's what happened here. Now, I happen to disagree with those people, but that's beside the point. Kenyon was kept informed by his supervisors of his job evaluation throughout his tenure at SCC. He knows and knew the reasons why his job status was called into question at that board meeting. If you'd like, you can ask Kenyon the reasons he was given from those who didn't want to re-hire him. Maybe he'll tell you whether it's your business or not.
Here's the facts. The Principal that came to the board recommending Kenyon not be re-hired is in his first year at SCC. He has spent most of his life in Mid-Missouri.
Two of the three board members who voted to not re-hire Kenyon never attended SCC and spent most of their lives in communities hours away from SCC.
They have almost zero knowledge of any "old-guard" aspects of SCC. They do not attend nor have much interest in SCC basketball games.
Three of the four board members who voted to retain Kenyon went to SCC as students and have lived in the area all their lives. (The fourth I don't know about.)
Now will you please tell me the proof you have of this anti-outsider cabal that conspired to oust Kenyon and bring in Marcus Timmons?
You say he wasn't treated unfairly, but you yourself said you disagreed with the three board members that wanted to let him go. So, if you disagree, is it not unfair that they wanted to let him go?
Absolutely it's not unfair.
Of course I can disagree with the three board members on whether Kenyon should have been let go but still think they were being fair to him.
Has everyone taken leave of their senses on this board?
My bad on the typo of the word "assumption".
Did you just say 'taken leave of their senses'? Is that really how you talk when you have a conversation with soomeone? I'm just trying to gauge where you're coming from saying you supported Kenyon but you think it's ok that a few board members wanted to run him out.
It's how I type when I'm addressing someone who comes out with a big ol' "YEP!" to baseless, slanderous accusations about my school.
Read my post carefully. "Kenyon was kept informed by his supervisors of his job evaluation throughout his tenure at SCC. He knows and knew the reason why his job status was called into question..."
Kenyon was told by the Superintendent and Principal what his job expectations were. These expectations were based at least in part on policy as determined by the school board. He apparently didn't satisfy those expectations 100%. When you don't do everything your boss asks you to do you shouldn't be surprised when your job status is called into question. And you can't say they were being unfair when they were clear about their expectations for months or years in advance.
As far as my feelings, I would have given him another chance to better meet those expectations. And in the end, that's what the board decided. But he chose not to take the second chance, or third or fourth or whatever chance it was. I don't fault Kenyon for his decision and I don't think those three board members were being unfair.
I'm glad he left on his terms
That is the part about this whole thing that stinks. Here is a young guy who had a lot of success but his name isn't Ronnie Cookson so he gets raked over the coals. Everybody who thinks everything was wonderful out at good ol' SCC in the 80s when they were in their hey day is sadly mistaken. It is a good thing there was no semoball back then or there would have been some stuff on the message boards that would have kept people talking for sure. Everything got swept under the rug because the team was winning.
And mohican don't pretend to come on here like you are taking up for Kenyon because it is clear that you aren't. If you were taking up for him you wouldn't be putting his business out there for everybody to read. You seem to be defensive that people have implied that Marcus Timmons is going to be the next coach. So maybe you are really trying to take up for him???
ok..... so who is replacing him??
I have a pretty good source on the situation and it wouldn't have been an easy task for Kenyon to stick around. He was going to have to make some changes that would have made it much more difficult to win games.
No, I'm not taking up for Kenyon and never pretended to. I didn't put any of his business out for anybody to read. I didn't mention one specific on any of the details of the rift between him and certain SCC officials. Most of the information I have given could be found on the public record of the SCC board minutes.
I'm simply calling B.S. on a completely unfounded rumor that is harmful to my school, and that is the rumor that anybody involved in this at any point tried to drive off Kenyon because he was not local in order to bring in Timmons or anybody else for that matter.
i just do not now if you cats no what your talkin about. marcus tikkons is in austriaa playin ball wright now Buckos. he can not just get iknto a ship or ride his bike back to heywood city that easy. mohinican, just whot is your name Bucko? you just runnin down coach kenkon to the birds and bees pal. i thinks that scot central nees to bring back danno farmer to caoch.
And alum, today has very little to do with the 80's. That was a whole different set of circumstances with an entirely different school board and administration with completely different students. That was 30 years ago man! You can't reasonably compare the two.
I'm not taking anybody's side on this. My suggestion to anyone involved at SCC would be just to move on, for better or worse.
bearcat1forall should be elected poster of the century.
well thank you mavinjahson for the kid words. i try to bee as politickly correct as i can for the most part these days Bucko. i have alots of insite on the scc job becuse my cousin played there back in the days ago. he tells me everthing that goes on with cookedson and those fellas.
What kind of talent does Bell City have coming up from the Junior High and JV ranks?
I think he is coaching jr high at BC.
That's correct, Larry.
i think you are wight larry boby. he coaches there somewher at bell city. yaya just hows does you know Bucko?
ASDF thanks for clearing up the Melvin Porter situation for me. I apologize for the inaccurate assertion in my post that scc ran him off for basketball reasons.
Now now Mohican don't be so defensive. I just made an observation and truthfully have no negative feelings about SCC whatsoever. Saying the coaching job isnt desirable doesn't mean I think it's a craphole place, it's just the expectations are so high, as proven this season, that not just anybody is up to the task.
Don't visit these forums daily anymore because I don't have time.
I think the Scott County Central job is an attractive opening. Likely the most attractive opening in southeast Missouri. Just like coaching for the Yankees is attractive for some people. The expectations are going to be higher at program that wins more frequently. It's like that it every sport at every level.
asdf1234
Actually I believe some coaches thrive on the opportunity to coach talent and go far in the playoffs. That's why some coaches that frequently have winning records don't stay at one program for 30 years.
secretagentman said:
"When it comes down to it, the only way SCC will be satisfied with any coach is by finding the fountain of youth for Ronnie Cookson or clone him."
False. Period.
Then why did SCC make a coach who was part of 4 consecutive state titles, 2 as head coach, unwelcome? Explain why a coach who was integral in rebuilding a storied basketball program face dismissal rumors immediately following his 2nd consecutive championship? Why was he only approved by a 4-3 vote, then bail ship to another school knowing he wouldn't be head coach there? Who in their right mind leaves a progrm like that, at that early of a stage in his coaching career to be whatever he's going to be at Bell City?
Something doesn't add up, and I'm afraid you can't explain any of it.
I've already explained it in my posts above. If you want to know more details you'll have to ask the three board members who voted yes on getting rid of him or the Principal who recommended it. And I'll say again, two of those board members and the Principal have no knowledge (and little interest) in the Cookson years. Now if you still believe they are pining for a Cookson clone then you're just being stubborn.
They won't be satisfied until they find a cookson clone. I'll believe that until I'm proved wrong. If/when I'm proved wrong, I'll own up to it.
I hope I'm not being cast as one who doesn't want SCC to succeed. After a down decade, I'm extremely excited the pride of SEMO basketball (no diss on Charleston) has re-emerged. I hope they find a coach (Cookson clone or not) who is able to take the momentum of 4 state titles into the foreseeable future and continue to fill that trophy case.
Well whoever it the new coach, it will be interesting to see how he is able to win the team over. Its going to take someone special to get the teams to play for him. I'm predicting a down year for SCC. This reminds me of some epic church splits.
History suggests when a coach that wins state titles leaves the next coach will not enjoy the same success. It's a safe bet exzalmanian.
But can anyone name a more attractive opening right now?
Just about any where eles Dustin!
Coaches will fade there like posts have here!
Time will tell Catfish. I don't jump at majority or minority or opinion. I take months, if not years, before I make judgement on anything.
ROFL
Funny how when the truth is told it gets deleted..when Athletes get caught with contraband then discipline should be administered..allowing them to play without consequences teaches no lesson.
Months? Dustin you picked a team to win state without watching them!
I also picked Charleston to win state before the season started before I watched them.
You also asked about an NBA coach taking the SCC job.
If you take months to make judgment, shouldn't you be waiting until this July or something to pick who should win the 2012 state basketball titles?
troll
My point was it is unfair to say someone is likely to get a job until all of the applications are in. There is always a chance someone better will apply.
sideline starter
I'm not sure any teams from southeast Missouri will win state titles in basketball next season.
Bernie could!
I agree Dustin.Probably have good regular season but no titles for Semo this coming year state wise.You are right BB Bernie does have a great JV team that will move up and probably contest in their division.
Troll have you noticed Dustin continues to not answer when we comment about an NBA coach coaching at SCC?
I think even HE realizes how awful a comment that was.
Kobe, Dustin might be considering that comment "for months, if not years" before he responds further.
Kobeyashi
I just found the question you asked 16 days ago.
I never indicated an NBA coach would take the SCC job. I just made it clear you should not decide on a coach until all the applications are in. There is always a chance someone better will apply before the deadline.
Someone says the search begins and ends with Timmons. I don't think the search begins and ends with anyone until all the applications are in.
Dustin u have a really BA misconception that schools only hire the best possible applicant. Most coaches are hired because of who they know. If you got the story from most coaches on how they got hired, you would find that to be the truth.
Remember, schools are not businesses, most decisions about teaching/coach hires are made from an emotional/personal standpoint.
asdf1234
I don't have a misconception about it at all. I completely understand what you are talking about.
I'm not sure if I agree with your opinion that MOST decision about teaching/coaching are made from an emotional/personal standpoint, however.
Before my thoughts are taken out of context I know nothing about anyone that has applied for the coaching position at Scott County Central or who would be the best candidate for the job.
My point is anyone that says A has applied for this job so B, C, D and E will not be considered if they apply later is not using sound judgment.
Please understand that this comes from years of experience, that when it comes to high profile coaching jobs (those can vary depending on what is considered high profile at your school) most of the time when A is the person they want (they can be a lot of different people or one person) it doesn't matter who else applies.
Just look at all the situations where teams hire an asst when a head coach quits/fired/retires. Most of the time those guys are not the most qualified person out there. Coach wright was by no means the most qualified person for the SCC job when they gave it to him, however, he was given the job based on a personal/emotional factor.
Me and three other coaches had this discussion one night, many years ago. We tried to name a coach that didn't get a job because he knew someone or someone didn't already want him.
It's not always the case, but most often it is. A lot of this also comes from the fact that there are so many former coaches that are administrators
I don't think it is most often the case in larger towns. I think good administrators always hire the best people.
But the scenario you are describing does take place from time to time.
One factor small-town administrators face is will the coach stay when the talent runs out.
Sometimes it is worth risk if you think you can win a state title in the brief period the coach is at the school. Example: Richland basketball's state championship.
I know of 3 guys that applied for the PB job and pretty much told them you guys should not have even applied. I know here at PB they want someone who will do what they want them to do and Frazier wasn't going to do that.
I think we have 9 applicants for the job and interviews start Tuesday