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Notre Dame at Scott County Central
Posted by bean84 on Thu, Jan 21, 2010, at 1:11 PM:

Who you got?

Scott County is the best team around, but Notre Dame is getting better.



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ND seems to have improved, and SCC is without one of their starters, but I still think SCC wins this one by 15 or so.

-- Posted by FarmBoy06 on Thu, Jan 21, 2010, at 1:16 PM

I'll go with SCC 86, ND 72. Homecourt will be big for SCC and the smaller court will help them pressure the bulldogs. Otto will slow Tolbert down, but I don't think Tolbert will slow down Otto much considering Otto's range. It should be a good one.

-- Posted by yah-yah on Thu, Jan 21, 2010, at 1:19 PM

When do these team play each other?

-- Posted by Matt Foley on Thu, Jan 21, 2010, at 1:28 PM

This next tuesday, I beleive the 26th.

-- Posted by bean84 on Thu, Jan 21, 2010, at 1:31 PM

Really looking forward to this one. As a public school supporter, I'm pulling hard for SCC to put it to the regional high school blue dogs.

-- Posted by Cully Bryant on Thu, Jan 21, 2010, at 4:14 PM

I agree with you football monkey, im rooting for the public school team here. Notre Dame is a good team, but i just have to go with SCC on this one.

-- Posted by lilbigboy on Thu, Jan 21, 2010, at 4:36 PM

If it doesn't snow I'll be at this game. I've only seen Acott Central twice this season. I want to take one more look at them.

-- Posted by drawmules on Thu, Jan 21, 2010, at 5:22 PM

Brian Freed has steped up taking over for Johnson not as good a shooter but plays verry good defence. SCC will be fine.SCC is showing its not all about baskettball grades do matter.

-- Posted by braves84 on Thu, Jan 21, 2010, at 8:24 PM

If Notre Dame can survive a half,I think they can win.

-- Posted by DonaldTrump on Fri, Jan 22, 2010, at 11:19 AM

If Notre Dame can survive a half,I think they can win.

-- Posted by DonaldTrump on Fri, Jan 22, 2010, at 11:21 AM

Does anyone know how the Saxony vs. Oran game turned out earlier in the month? That may give some insight into how each team is currently performing since these were their most recent opponents. Sometimes, it's hard to tell as I am sure that both SCC and ND were playing their subs for much of the game.

-- Posted by Dogs n Cats on Sat, Jan 23, 2010, at 7:23 AM

I can't seem to remember the exact score, but I believe Oran won by 12+

-- Posted by hsbballfan on Sat, Jan 23, 2010, at 7:47 AM

Scott County will beat ND Blue dogs by 20 points.ND doesn't have one guy to slow down Bobby Hatchett, and if they try to trap him Porter will kill them under the basket.Tolbert has no chance against Porter.

-- Posted by tlks2much on Sat, Jan 23, 2010, at 9:29 AM

Notre Dame defeated Sikeston.So I think the Boys N Blue have a legit chance of winning.Sikeston has speed,so they proved already that they can defeat an athletic team,similar to SCC.Its all about Porter and Hatchett,what if they have an off game(15 and 11 points)?I see a "w" for ND.Believe me,even the best have terrible games.Or they can have superb games and still be beaten.ND beat Charleston too,more quickness.The top "Q" for SCC is can they win when Porter and Hatchett are off?Or in early foul trouble?

ND-65

SCC-62

-- Posted by DonaldTrump on Sat, Jan 23, 2010, at 10:17 AM

Notre Dame defeated Sikeston.So I think the Boys N Blue have a legit chance of winning.Sikeston has speed,so they proved already that they can defeat an athletic team,similar to SCC.Its all about Porter and Hatchett,what if they have an off game(15 and 11 points)?I see a "w" for ND.Believe me,even the best have terrible games.Or they can have superb games and still be beaten.ND beat Charleston too,more quickness.The top "Q" for SCC is can they win when Porter and Hatchett are off?Or in early foul trouble?

ND-65

SCC-62

-- Posted by DonaldTrump on Sat, Jan 23, 2010, at 10:17 AM

Sikeston is focusing on Borgia,when a district foe defeated them once already.Why can't they do it again?

-- Posted by DonaldTrump on Sat, Jan 23, 2010, at 10:26 AM

Sikeston is focusing on Borgia,when a district foe defeated them once already.Why can't they do it again?

-- Posted by DonaldTrump on Sat, Jan 23, 2010, at 10:26 AM

jayjayblue,

Sikeston played the worst game in two years at Notre Dame in Dec.and only lost by 5. That was the best thing that could have happened to Sikeston because they found out that they weren't in basketball shape after the long football season, and even on that night ND wouldn't beat Sikeston at home and you think they can handle SCC at home?

Go watch some basketball games before you get on here and start making comments.

-- Posted by tlks2much on Sat, Jan 23, 2010, at 10:36 AM

Talks2Much, While I agree that Sikeston had an "off" game at ND, I believe the ND defense had something to do with it. I think they(ND) match up as well as anyone else in the area with SCC, as well. They may not have anyone that can handle Hatchett one-on-one, but the have a whole host of guys that are going to work their tails off to try to contain him. With two 6'7" guys down low to deny Otto the ball, that may be the recipe for success. Who knows if they will win, but a loss by 20 is not gonna happen.

-- Posted by Dogs n Cats on Sat, Jan 23, 2010, at 12:45 PM

If I were to say "my team lost because they had an off night", I bet you I'd hear "stop making excuses" or "Maybe the other team had something to do with that." Just saying...

-- Posted by FarmBoy06 on Sat, Jan 23, 2010, at 2:34 PM

I wish I could make to this game but I've gotta head to Jackson to cheer on the Red Dogs that night. Having seen both teams a couple of times, I say Scott Central wins this game by about ten. I know they lost a couple of key players and that Notre Dame does have the big guys that could negate Otto but I don't think the Thunder and Lightning team of Otto and Bobby have an off night.

-- Posted by s-town4292 on Sat, Jan 23, 2010, at 3:27 PM

SCC should only be without one player that started the season for them.

-- Posted by FarmBoy06 on Sat, Jan 23, 2010, at 3:44 PM

Is Dogs n Cats the only one not predicting a SCC blowout? ND couldn't stop Cape at the Christmas Tourney and Cape got blownout of town by SCC.

-- Posted by zalmanian on Sat, Jan 23, 2010, at 10:21 PM

Depends on what you think of as a blowout. 10-15 isn't a blowout, once you get beat by 20 or more, that's probably a blowout. Either way, a loss is a loss.

-- Posted by FarmBoy06 on Sat, Jan 23, 2010, at 10:24 PM

Two of the top prospects in the country couldnt hold porter.Neither will ND

-- Posted by braves84 on Sun, Jan 24, 2010, at 3:32 PM

If you're ND, I don't think you can reasonably expect to contain Otto...but one guy isn't going to beat a good team. Don't get me wrong, ND will have their hands full slowing down SCC's numerous weapons, but responding specifically to the last post, I don't think Otto having his usual game is going to make or break either team (unless of course he hold Tolbert to under 10 points).

-- Posted by FarmBoy06 on Sun, Jan 24, 2010, at 4:00 PM

I've been thinking about this game. There are a few teams in this area that can handle pressure and handle it well. In my opinion, those teams are: SCC, Sikeston, ND and Kennett. I would say the two best pressing teams in the area are SCC and Sikeston in that order. ND really didn't have a ton of difficulty with Sikeston's press. Sure, they had a few turnovers, but the press didn't cause them to absolutely fall apart, like it will with some teams. I think ND will be able to handle the SCC press to a reasonable degree...meaning they won't fall apart. I think this game absolutely comes down to the big fellas. One of the things I like about SCC is the fact that Otto is such a complete player. He can play down low, he has a really good outside shot for a big man, and if you foul him, he'll make his free throws.

-- Posted by Cully Bryant on Sun, Jan 24, 2010, at 4:06 PM

As braves 84 said, nobody has slowed Otto down yet, and I doubt ND will do it. ND has 2 or 3 guys who can shoot from outside (including Tolbert), so that could open up the inside a little. Tolbert is stronger than Otto, so that could be to his advantage, but Otto has the wingspan of a 747, so even if he's getting pushed around a little, Tolbert may see a couple shots get sent back where they came from lol.

-- Posted by FarmBoy06 on Sun, Jan 24, 2010, at 4:10 PM

No one in the area or two people in the area will contain Bobby Hatchett. He dribbled through three Sikeston defenders last year in their game. Otto will be Otto and dominate. ND loses by atleast 20

-- Posted by SemoIndian88 on Sun, Jan 24, 2010, at 6:39 PM

Nobody wants to see SCC win this game more than me, Semoindian88, but if you recall, as you pointed out, Sikeston did not contain Bobby or Otto...but they still won.

-- Posted by Cully Bryant on Sun, Jan 24, 2010, at 7:03 PM

Well I think they lost that game because Drew Thomas was too concerned for his 30 shots a game. They should have gotten the ball to Otto who absolutely tore it up in the first half. Sikeston was way more athletic then ND is in my opinion also. Bobby is only concerned with spreadin the ball around and occasionally blow by someone to make them look stupid. His first instinct is to find someone wide open or make them open by his quickness.

-- Posted by SemoIndian88 on Sun, Jan 24, 2010, at 10:09 PM

Braves. I believe Otto had 12 points against the two top prospects in the nation that you are talking about. He also got dunked on. He is great, but don't make him sound like Lebron.

-- Posted by kingjames on Sun, Jan 24, 2010, at 10:37 PM

SEMO. I have to disagree with Bobby. Although on one play he dribbled through 3 Sikeston players, he also had 10 or 11 points. And Darryle Howard definently contained him. He is tough, but once again, I wouldn't classify him as un-guardable

-- Posted by kingjames on Sun, Jan 24, 2010, at 10:40 PM

To the ND gaurds, he is ungaurdable. There is this thing called athleticism. Hatchett has more of that in his right hand than the ND gaurds have put together. To all of you ignorant people out there, you cannot compare last years SCC loss to Sikeston against this years ND win against Sikeston. If I recall, there was a guy in the middle last year for Sikeston with a name of Porter... He may have had a little to do in beating SCC. Just saying.

-- Posted by SemoIndian88 on Sun, Jan 24, 2010, at 11:20 PM

Ignorant people? Wow, nice post. You must be proud!

-- Posted by mandm96 on Mon, Jan 25, 2010, at 9:24 AM

I understand that ND does not have the athleticism that sikeston does, but if there is one guard who could contain hatchett, it is koeppel. Have you seen him guard. he did a great job against sikeston's athleticism. containing Otto is a differnt story. That is harder than containing hatchett. dont get me wrong, they both are good players. You also have to realize that SCC has to contain Tolbert. Should be a good one.

-- Posted by bean84 on Mon, Jan 25, 2010, at 10:10 AM

I noticed that, mandm96. I also noticed that if you call people ignorant, you should probably make sure you know how to spell "guard", and also know when the word "years" is possessive and should be spelled "year's". To quote SemoIndian, "There is this thing called athleticism." Well, there is also this thing called a dictionary.

-- Posted by Cully Bryant on Mon, Jan 25, 2010, at 10:44 AM

Now kids... Play nice.

-- Posted by Dogs n Cats on Mon, Jan 25, 2010, at 12:05 PM

"I understand that ND does not have the athleticism that sikeston does, but if there is one guard who could contain hatchett, it is koeppel."

Now that is hillarious!!! That's as funny as saying Taylor Swift wanted Kanye West to jump on stage and tell the world how great Beyonce's video was...

You can't be serious! Next thing you're going to tell us is that if all kids would follow in Koeppel's footsteps and learn to shoot Free Throws like him they would not make fun of they way they shoot!

-- Posted by Matt Foley on Mon, Jan 25, 2010, at 1:48 PM

This is a completely serious question, and I'm not trying to make fun of the guy at all. I mean look at how Rick Barry shot free throws, for Heaven's sake; but is "Koeppel" the young man from Notre Dame that shoots jump shots from the free throw line? I asked this question once before during a live online broadcast of one of Notre Dame's games in the Christmas tourney, but it was ignored. I suppose it was assumed I was being rude or poking fun. I'm not. It's just an interesting way to shoot free throws and I was wondering who it was...and if anyone knows, why does he shoot free throws like that?

-- Posted by Cully Bryant on Mon, Jan 25, 2010, at 2:16 PM

Yeah, Koeppel jumps on his free throws. I'm pretty sure he shooots pretty well using that technique, actually.

-- Posted by yah-yah on Mon, Jan 25, 2010, at 2:37 PM

Don't know why he shoots them like that, but it seems to work for him. After watching every ND game this year, my best guess is around 80 percent from the line. I know if I shot them like that, I would be lucky to hit 10 percent. I just wonder if somewhere along the line, he had trouble getting it to the rim (he is a small guy). Maybe it just stuck?

-- Posted by Dogs n Cats on Mon, Jan 25, 2010, at 2:39 PM

Just saying to all the people on the ND side here, shouldnt ND and SCC have met in the Christmas tournament, if not for Cape Central? If I recall right SCC wins by 28, a team ND lost to the day before.

-- Posted by SemoIndian88 on Mon, Jan 25, 2010, at 3:54 PM

SemoIndian88, that is not exactly the best argument to go by. Cape Central went on a special run at the Christmas Tournament up until the finals. If you want to go by that logic, New Madrid beat Notre Dame by 8 or so. Notre Dame beat Sikeston by 5. By your logic, shouldn't New Madrid have beat Sikeston by 10 to 15 because if I remember correctly, Sikeston beat New Madrid by 20 or more. The whole Team A beat Team B and Team B beat Team C so Team A should beat Team C argument isn't exactly a good way to judge teams. Sometimes there are just matchups that favor one team but not another. I think Scott Central will win as well but please use stats and reasoning, not what happened last month.

-- Posted by s-town4292 on Mon, Jan 25, 2010, at 4:04 PM

Evan king james gets dunked on and still has a double double.o yeh thats what otto did against lincoln.

-- Posted by braves84 on Mon, Jan 25, 2010, at 5:14 PM

Hey Indian, you said no one in the AREA or 2 ppl can guard Hatchett. In case you missed it, the names I said are still at Sikeston, and yes, they slowed him down last year. So they would do the same.

Thank you

-- Posted by kingjames on Mon, Jan 25, 2010, at 5:47 PM

The player named in the other post is pretty desent i will give him that . But by his self one on one against Hatchett not evan in the same league. The freshman from charleston has a better chance.

-- Posted by braves84 on Mon, Jan 25, 2010, at 7:01 PM

You said any 2 ppl. Give me Darryle Howard and Quay Dixon or Juqualin and Bobby would be held to 15 or less, like last year.

-- Posted by kingjames on Mon, Jan 25, 2010, at 7:04 PM

Thats still more than any one player from s town scores per game.

-- Posted by braves84 on Mon, Jan 25, 2010, at 7:52 PM

That's because Sikeston has so many diferent scoring threats that you can't zero in on just one of them. They all score well.

-- Posted by s-town4292 on Mon, Jan 25, 2010, at 8:04 PM

We could go back and forth on who is better scc or sikeston both are good teams but so is nd

cant wait to see scc and nd .Tolbert is as good as they come i think nd will be out matched but im an scc fan what else could i say .

-- Posted by braves84 on Mon, Jan 25, 2010, at 8:30 PM

For the life of me, I can't figure out why people don't like Sikeston fans.

-- Posted by Fatboy1972 on Mon, Jan 25, 2010, at 8:33 PM

Although we're completely off-topic, I'm taking Sikeston over SCC if these two played this year.

-- Posted by FarmBoy06 on Mon, Jan 25, 2010, at 8:51 PM

hatchett could be held to 15 pts, he had 16 against delta in the 2nd round of the scott miss tourney I saw. He doesnt care about points, he will take 15 assist over 15 pts. He will find otto everytime, and when he wants score.

-- Posted by SemoIndian88 on Mon, Jan 25, 2010, at 9:25 PM

All I said was that 2 ppl could slow down Bobby. Someone said no 2 guards in the area could hold him,and I disagree.

-- Posted by kingjames on Mon, Jan 25, 2010, at 10:32 PM

I will be at the game tomorrow night and, internet access willing, will "Cover it Live."

I hope to get to see a good, close game, but it should be fun no matter what. Please do join us for the game...those of you going and those of you staying home.

-- Posted by Rachel Crader (Moderator) on Mon, Jan 25, 2010, at 10:58 PM

It is going to be a good game. I believe if Matt play hard in the paint-rebounding- and Liam, Luciano, Nick, Ke Ke and Alex plays major defense and Jacob contributes both offensively and defensively - it is going to be a great game. ND got to be aware of Ottos long arms- ND just can not pass the ball any type of way because Otto will get the pass. I believe Nick and/or Ke Ke can guard Bobby - Bobby will get some plays off but not as many. ND needs to send a message at the beginning of the game- not second quarter- because if they wait it may be over. ND also has other gifted players that can contribute to ND's victory.

-- Posted by HEREYA on Tue, Jan 26, 2010, at 11:55 AM

I'm taking SCC by 15

I think the fact that the game is at SCC will play a large role in the game. Also, I think Otto is going to shut Tolbert down for the most part.

-- Posted by thepurpleturtle on Tue, Jan 26, 2010, at 4:39 PM

Good job Notre dame. I know a lot of people will argue on here but tonight nd wanted it more. Never count out Notre Dame.

-- Posted by spiffy D on Tue, Jan 26, 2010, at 9:31 PM

Im not going blame the refs for scc losing because they called the game pretty well the same on both ends just not in the same half.

-- Posted by braves84 on Tue, Jan 26, 2010, at 10:18 PM

I work with college athletes on a day to day basis and I heard about Otto Porter, Bobby Hatchett, and Jake Tolbert; so I decided to go and watch this game. SCC was very athletic and after reading the earlier posts on this thread most have all but ruled out ND, but I have heard Roy Williams and Bobby Knight both say it at their summer camps and seminars: "Basketball players will beat athletes more times than not". That is what happened at tonight's game, SCC looked more athletic and for the most part they were ( besides the Tolbert kid) but ND just had more basketball players, note that I say more not necessarily better and that is what makes them a better team. I was sitting by the Mizzoui assistant coach during the game and he made a great point "most of Porter's points are coming when the Tolbert kid was on the bench or in foul trouble" I don't know if he was right or not, but I made a note of it and began to watch him closer. I would have like to seen a stat on how many points Porter had when the Tolbert kid was in the game versus when he was out. But, then again he had to contend with two guys on ND who were 6'7" . As far as college athletes go (because that is my professional background) the Tolbert kid stood out to me and I was very impressed. Porter needs to get bigger and stronger.

-- Posted by androsdareios on Tue, Jan 26, 2010, at 11:15 PM

Very surprised by the outcome. I wasn't at the game but sounds like ND controlled the pace of the game. I guess I underestimated Tolbert. Looks like he's going to be a handful for just about any team.

-- Posted by thepurpleturtle on Tue, Jan 26, 2010, at 11:16 PM

I read the post earlier and it was stated that no one guard can or could hold Bobby Hatchett- well tonight Ke Ke Kellum #5 proved everyone wrong. Ke Ke appeared to be the leader in this very intense game. Even though Bobby is one of the best guard in this area- ND brought on the defense and kept it going to win the victory.

-- Posted by HEREYA on Tue, Jan 26, 2010, at 11:24 PM

Bobby was slowed down, but I'd say it was more of a team effort......definitely didn't see one player slow him down.

-- Posted by FarmBoy06 on Tue, Jan 26, 2010, at 11:28 PM

braves84- are you kidding me? how can any scc fan even think about blaming the refs. the only way scc was in the game was because of the refs. they called phantom fouls on starling's block of hatchett and on tolberts 5th foul. scc went over the back every rebound in the 4th quarter. liam maher was kicked in the face, making his nose bleed enough to be taken to the locker room, and their was no foul. ND is probably the least respected team in the area. yes they did not play to their potential in their losses against central and lafayette. but they have beaten sikeston and scott county central this year and proven that they are still a contender. nd didnt even play their best game in the win against sikeston earlier in the year. they played their best tonight and if they play like that in districts, they have a huge chance at winning it. and who knows beyond that. yes borgia is defending state champs but whenever you have an emerging star like tolbert, and all around team defence, you can beat anybody. had a great time at scc tongiht, that stadium is kind of like going to a game at allen fieldhouse. you see all of the state championship trophies as you walk in and see the retired number of otto porter sr. its great but i was very suprised when i heard about constant yelling at the notre dame bench from scc fans. i was told by someone on the sideline that even a bottle got thrown at them. that was kind of sad. im not hating on scc because i cheer for them except when they play nd, and i definently think they will 4-peat this year as state champs. in closing, great game. two great teams. Go Dawags

-- Posted by NDstudent13 on Tue, Jan 26, 2010, at 11:32 PM

SCC and ND are probably the two best teams in Southeast Missouri and either team has the ability to win on any givin night but tonight Notre Dame just outplayed SCC in every way. ND showed they are a force to be reckoned with and Tolbert showed he is the best player around.

-- Posted by <123> on Tue, Jan 26, 2010, at 11:33 PM

100% correct HEREYA. Keke played his best game of his career tonight. him and nick koepell shut down bobby as much as you can. nick didnt get the same playing time as keke because of foul trouble, but in the first 5 minutes, koepell forced multiple turnovers on ND's press

-- Posted by NDstudent13 on Tue, Jan 26, 2010, at 11:35 PM

btw, their were many scouts at the game. among these were scouts from MIZZOU, SIU Edwardsville, and Tennessee-Martin. supossedly the MIZZOU scout was very impressed with tolbert. would not suprise me if he is a 2-4 star player. most likely a 3 star.

-- Posted by NDstudent13 on Tue, Jan 26, 2010, at 11:39 PM

I believe one of Memphis' assitant coaches was also at the game.

-- Posted by FarmBoy06 on Tue, Jan 26, 2010, at 11:41 PM

I know, i was there and i was close enough to the scouts to see what they were saying and i know the mizzou scout called otto weak several times, and was extremely impressed by tolbert

-- Posted by <123> on Tue, Jan 26, 2010, at 11:42 PM

yes i forgot about the guy from memphis. they all sat right next to ND's bench under the basket. the mizzou guy seemed interested in tolbert, and im pretty sure the memphis guy was there for hatchett, or maybe him and otto

-- Posted by NDstudent13 on Tue, Jan 26, 2010, at 11:44 PM

Great game ND, very proud.

-- Posted by NDalum86 on Tue, Jan 26, 2010, at 11:49 PM

"Keke played his best game of his career tonight."

Had to be on defense, because he finished with 5 points.

-- Posted by sportsfanatic on Tue, Jan 26, 2010, at 11:56 PM

KeKe isnt exactly a scorer. He's probably one of if not the best defender around though. Had 11 steals against Charleston a week ago if im not mistaken.

-- Posted by <123> on Wed, Jan 27, 2010, at 12:12 AM

Talks2much,it looks like you do to much of it,so shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..I'm from Charleston so you know that i know the game.I predicted that ND would win..

ND-65

SCC-62

I got SCC points right 62 62 62 62 sixty two!!!Look at my earlier post,but don't talk to much..lol

-- Posted by DonaldTrump on Wed, Jan 27, 2010, at 12:18 AM

Talks2much,it looks like you do to much of it,so shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..I'm from Charleston so you know that i know the game.I predicted that ND would win..

ND-65

SCC-62

I got SCC points right 62 62 62 62 sixty two!!!Look at my earlier post,but don't talk to much..lol

-- Posted by DonaldTrump on Wed, Jan 27, 2010, at 12:21 AM

Talks2much,it looks like you do to much of it,so shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..I'm from Charleston so you know that i know the game.I predicted that ND would win..

ND-65

SCC-62

I got SCC points right 62 62 62 62 sixty two!!!Look at my earlier post,but don't talk to much..lol

-- Posted by DonaldTrump on Wed, Jan 27, 2010, at 12:23 AM

Will the box score for this game be posted tonight?

-- Posted by FarmBoy06 on Wed, Jan 27, 2010, at 12:36 AM

N/m. Just saw where the story was posted.

-- Posted by FarmBoy06 on Wed, Jan 27, 2010, at 12:40 AM

The thing about Mizzou and that 2011 class is that they will only have one scholarship to give (barring any unforeseen circumstances) so they will be picky to whoever they give it to. Eric Bossi (recruiting analyst on scout.com) mentioned in a post on Mizzou's website that Porter is the closest/most-likely of their in-state targets to receive an offer from them. It's unquestionable that Porter will need to get stronger to play in the Big 12, but the frame is there and he has another year and a half before he even steps foot on a college campus. He's still got some time to get stronger and put on some weight. One thing he has shown is that even though he needs to get stronger, he is not afraid of banging inside and can out-rebound guys his size who are just as good or better than he is.

Tolbert had already put himself on the radar of a lot of low to mid-majors this summer, but I think his performance tonight will only help his stock. I know he was a target for Missouri State before this game and I imagine a lot of other schools are going to take notice. Like Porter, he is just a junior and has time to continue to get better.

-- Posted by Crash Davis on Wed, Jan 27, 2010, at 12:43 AM

Weight training can be taught, 6'7 and athletic can't :).

-- Posted by FarmBoy06 on Wed, Jan 27, 2010, at 12:47 AM

Crash excellent in put, and you are right about the one Mizzou scholorship. To be honest with you I doubt it will go to the any player in SE Missouri, but like you said I am sure some other area division I programs are taking notice of the two highly talented juniors we have in the area, not to mention the fantastic senior guard in one Bobby Hatchett. Btw. ND's guards play so well together you can tell they have played together for some time now; they all have play within themselves and know their role and they like to play defense and I like that.

-- Posted by androsdareios on Wed, Jan 27, 2010, at 12:54 AM

Crash excellent in put, and you are right about the one Mizzou scholorship. To be honest with you I doubt it will go to the any player in SE Missouri, but like you said I am sure some other area division I programs are taking notice of the two highly talented juniors we have in the area, not to mention the fantastic senior guard in one Bobby Hatchett. Btw. ND's guards play so well together you can tell they have played together for some time now; they all play within themselves and know their role and they like to play defense and I like that.

-- Posted by androsdareios on Wed, Jan 27, 2010, at 1:07 AM

Sounds like ND had this victory from the foul stripe.....seems the story mentioned 18 shots from the foul line in the first half ( they made 14) , and 18 in the 4th qtr alone..( and they made 14 of those as well...) The story did not mention the free throws in the 3rd....so wow, sounds like ND had at least 36 attempts from the free throw line...and made at least 28 of them ..

I cant imagine SCC had any players left to finish the game......with all that fouling....

-- Posted by Headhunt on Wed, Jan 27, 2010, at 1:22 AM

ND: 30-36 from the line, committed 25 fouls

SCC: 19-28 from the line, committed 22 fouls.

2 players fouled out for SCC, one fouled out for ND, plus ND had at least 3 other players with 4 fouls, possibly a 3rd.

-- Posted by FarmBoy06 on Wed, Jan 27, 2010, at 1:56 AM

SCC has always been handsy, they just happen to get refs that don't like handsy. Everyone fouls and reaches but SCC seems to get away with more, guessing it is because they are quicker on the draw than some of these slow whisle blowers. Or should I say LAX Whistle blowers. I'd like to see a came sometime where the fouls are called decent and the other team doesn't try to win but hurting the best players. Could someone tell me what games used to be like before we started allowing football on the court.

-- Posted by Interests Me on Wed, Jan 27, 2010, at 8:20 AM

jayjayblue,

I have to give it to you, you called it! I was not able to attend but heard it was a physical game which played into ND hands with having a deeper bench.

-- Posted by tlks2much on Wed, Jan 27, 2010, at 9:07 AM

I think farmboy06 got it right, the foul calls were fair and indicative of the fast paced and athletic contest between Notre Dame and Scott Central. Fast, pressing, aggressive, pressing, ball pressure defenses are going to have more fouls and be more physical. That just the way the best area teams play. If an officiating crew can please the coaches and players, that is their goal. You will never satisfy all the fans, many of them don't have a clue. Some knowledgable ones do, alot don't. Sounds like a great game to watch and enjoy. Someone has to win, someone has to lose. Thats athletics.

-- Posted by semo ref on Wed, Jan 27, 2010, at 9:08 AM

ND vs SCC

I was not at the game but I heard it over the radio and I heard a lot of people talking about the game. They said Kellum stood out last night. Fans from Charleston and and few people from Scott Central stated that Kellum control the tempo of the floor and contributed mostly to Hachett's turnovers and got the steals and many assist and a couple assist that initiated Tolbert's two Dunks. I read the article today and I read other post- It seems as though since Kellum does not start- people do not want to give him his prop. The entire ND team played and plays an awesome game of ball- but Kellum never gets his props. Tolbert's gets his and Koeppel gets his- now it is time for Kellum to get his for a change. It makes you wonder?????- Don't crush talent because you got the power to do so- it will come back to hunt you.

-- Posted by Feewhat! on Wed, Jan 27, 2010, at 11:52 AM

Please think before you post next time....last night was a big win for NOTRE DAME, not for a couple individual players. Everyone who stepped on the court contributed in one way or another. Let's not do a disservice to the school or the team by trying to build up some player more than is deserved, or by insinuating that there is a reason someone isn't starting other than the fact that there are 5 better players.

-- Posted by FarmBoy06 on Wed, Jan 27, 2010, at 11:57 AM

Farmer

I give credit to the entire team because they are a good team- It is politically done all the time when you read the newspaper- one or two people is/are being talked about all the time- you need to read the paper. I am thankful for SEMO Ball- you can speak -what you see

Thanks SEMO Ball and sorry farmer that you have taken offense to my statement. That means you should take offense to when one say only one person can hold Bobby- or no one can hold Otto and Otto needs to get stronger and bigger or Tolbert is the best in this area- I see where you are coming from. I can tell your mind set- oops you are on candy camera- got ya

-- Posted by Feewhat! on Wed, Jan 27, 2010, at 12:08 PM

Vague statements and lack of spellcheck aren't helping me understand where you're coming from.

-- Posted by FarmBoy06 on Wed, Jan 27, 2010, at 12:12 PM

It seems as though a pin hit a guilty conscious- it was never stated that others are starting before others because of a define reason- you must have something vital to do with the team? oops I got you- you are on candy camera- no more comments to you- just smile- no more info in farmboy's direction lol. I am a person contributing to this forum- no comments directed to you- no comments directed to me. This forum is all about speaking out- That is what I'm doing- sorry for offending you- conviction does not come from me it comes from God.

-- Posted by Feewhat! on Wed, Jan 27, 2010, at 12:28 PM

Oops- I hit a guilty conscience again- spell check- did SEMO Ball states you have to spell correctly- farmer boy or rrrrrddddddnnnnnkkkkk -you hit the spell check and retype my comments-what are your grades in college? Do you have your masters? Some well known professors spells incorrectly at time- a guilty or shakey mind tries to make one take a nasty blow- sorry farm boy you are out of your character - ha ha- smiling- check yourself - conviction comes from God not me- I am a mere man- I got you- you are on candy camera- so smile

-- Posted by Feewhat! on Wed, Jan 27, 2010, at 12:40 PM

Did I just read all that? I wish I could have those precious few minutes back in my life.

-- Posted by semohoops on Wed, Jan 27, 2010, at 12:48 PM

Aren't help me understand- I don't get it

Sorry SEMO Ball this forum is all about sports-It amazes me that sometimes you get ig---nor------ I mean some times you get people who get caught up in the moment and forget what the main purpose is for- I give my apology- not to stoop to others beneath ----level------.

Thanks again and I appreciate SEMO Ball.

-- Posted by Feewhat! on Wed, Jan 27, 2010, at 12:50 PM

HAHAHA. What in the world is feewhat talking about?

-- Posted by yah-yah on Wed, Jan 27, 2010, at 12:51 PM

feewhat,

It's candid camera. Not "candy camera".

-- Posted by Cully Bryant on Wed, Jan 27, 2010, at 1:07 PM

His mommy used to buy him candy cameras from the store.

-- Posted by yah-yah on Wed, Jan 27, 2010, at 1:10 PM

FEEWHAT is mad because his son didn't get his "props" from the game last night. It didn't look like one person guarded Hatchett last night. I saw double and triple teams on Hatchett, and NEVER any one on one situations. SCC is a good team this year, not a GREAT team like they were last year. Then you add the loss of Johnson, and they are even more down. You guard Hatchett the best you can and you guard Porter the best you can and make the rest of the team beat you. Even if you guard Hatchett 2-1 or 3-1 to keep him at bay, and let Porter get his points because he is going to get them regardless then you stand a chance. That is exactly what ND did last night. SCC doesn't have the fire power that they did last year. I am not trying to take away from ND's win, because it was a good win for them, but SCC is not the team they once were.

-- Posted by sportsfanatic on Wed, Jan 27, 2010, at 1:35 PM

I think Fee is a she.

-- Posted by yah-yah on Wed, Jan 27, 2010, at 2:08 PM

Please remember, when giving praise to the kids on the floor, don't forget the kids on the bench. Even though they did not get into the game, they are the ones playing every day against the starters and trying to make them better also. Hoping somewhere along the way they get their chance to make a difference.

-- Posted by deervalley on Wed, Jan 27, 2010, at 2:42 PM

Very good point deervalley. I'm glad you made it. Those kids work hard and do their part in contributing to a good product on the floor. Not everyone can be 6'7" or gifted with uncanny hand-eye co-ordination, but those kids work hard, love the game, and help their team. I also think it would be safe to say that Notre Dame, along with SCC, Sikeston and a few other area schools have kids who get almost no playing time, but would if they attended some of the other schools. And no, I do not have a kid on the bench for ND...or any other school for that matter.

-- Posted by Cully Bryant on Wed, Jan 27, 2010, at 2:55 PM

I'd respond to FEE's comments, but yet again I have no idea what I'm responding to.

-- Posted by FarmBoy06 on Wed, Jan 27, 2010, at 3:29 PM

4 peat? You mean 2 peat. And you are crazy if you think this SCC team, which goes 2 deep, would beat Sikeston. The DC game will be a good one.

-- Posted by kingjames on Wed, Jan 27, 2010, at 4:06 PM

Sorry Yah-Saw, saw you at cape central and sport--- I mean --- You guess wrong- I'm not a ND parent. I can't afford it and I try to stay away from politics. It truly worked- my name makes it hard for you to guess who I am- That was my intention to use a name that would make someone think wrong. Why come I cant' be a Charleston or Cape Central parent, or a summer league coach, an aunt, ucle,sister, brother or cousin or a friend or a person who can truly analyzed the game or maybe a person who follows some of these kids in the area- or maybe you'll never guess. You may see me everyday. Next time I may be advocating for you on SEMO Ball. So stop hating and thinking wrong. This is my last time writing to or direct- because this page is about sports.

To sportsfanatic -watch the tape and then respond.

I am a fan of Bobby, Otto, Dontey Jones, Tolbert, Coney, Dontey Jenkins, Kevin C., James Lane, Andrew Williams and a lot of other basketball players in the area. I follow a lot of summer leaque teams- so Iknow some players- and some players has that respectful leadership ability. I could advocae for them also- because it is a lot of talent in this area. I'm signing off but I will be following the Cape Vs. ND and Charleston VS.Cape Central and Sikeston Vs. Cape Central. These are going to be some good games. No more comments- but I will be following and commenting on these games until State- Continue to look up my profile without breaking confidentiality. I agree with deervalley and football monkey - thanks for the correction. See you on the Cape vs. ND forum

-- Posted by Feewhat! on Wed, Jan 27, 2010, at 5:35 PM

Why should I watch the tape when I was there? LOL

-- Posted by sportsfanatic on Wed, Jan 27, 2010, at 6:21 PM

It's dangerous and destructive when people start grabbing for glory and praise for individuals on a team. I agree with Farmboy and deervalley, it was a great win for NOTRE DAME last night! Every kid on that roster can claim a piece of that victory. Good game, Bulldogs.

-- Posted by irishgirl on Wed, Jan 27, 2010, at 8:36 PM

I remember the first time I did crack...sorta!

-- Posted by Larry Doby on Wed, Jan 27, 2010, at 9:08 PM

So with this tough loss tues. against ND, how do you think NMCC will do this saturday?? I mean now we know that SCC isn't indestructable and if the Eagles play @ the level they have been playing, they are hard to predict. I like NMCC's chances in this one but not a blowout if they lose.

-- Posted by eagle agent 00 on Wed, Jan 27, 2010, at 9:33 PM

Eagle Agent 00

NMCC gave up 70 against Scott City! SCC may score 200! SCC by 15+

-- Posted by Rocket689 on Wed, Jan 27, 2010, at 10:13 PM

From what I hear, NMCC pretty much phoned it in. Not a hard fought victory.

-- Posted by FarmBoy06 on Wed, Jan 27, 2010, at 10:32 PM

Rocket689,

it wasnt NMCC's fault that the refs called a bad game. Kony Ealy, William Bledsoe, Keith Holmes, Lamonte Nelson all saw limited play in the 2nd half because of foul trouble. So of course thats not an excuse but i mean with most of your stars on the bench, why wouldnt scott city score 70. SCC does really match up well with NMCC and it took me until their loss to ND to realize that. If they can barely contain Tolbert(not saying he's a bad player), what will they do with Kony? All NMCC has to do is put pressure on them, limit turnovers, and play to their full capability and i see 11 in the win column for them.

-- Posted by eagle agent 00 on Wed, Jan 27, 2010, at 11:25 PM

Rocket689

Yes as eagle agent 00 said u got to realize that it was pretty much jv members playing the whole second half. I mean come on their not sikeston so they weren't going to let their varsity play the entire time! NMCC beat ND this year and if tolbert could shut otto down Kony can! I also believe dontre Jenkins can shut bobby down. Last game dontre had 36 points. I'm not sure if bobby has scored that many in a game idk even if it was against a lesser team. So I think this NMCC vs scc matchup if weather permits should be a good one!

-- Posted by BuckMajor on Thu, Jan 28, 2010, at 12:27 AM

Sikeston usually players there starters 3 quarters at the most in blowout games, if not a little less. Otto had 31 against Notre Dame. Dontre is no Bobby Hatchett.

-- Posted by FarmBoy06 on Thu, Jan 28, 2010, at 12:32 AM

Coach Holifield never plays his starters more than a minute or two into the 4th quarter in blowouts. In fact, they've come in at the end of the 1st half in a few games. Get your facts straight and quit talking about stuff you are clearly clueless about, Buck.

-- Posted by yah-yah on Thu, Jan 28, 2010, at 8:19 AM

Buckmajor, you must not watch many Sikeston games, if any. In turbo clock games, Holifield plays his JV the entire fourth quarter. Against Scott City and many of these other teams, Sikeston stopped pressing early in the second quarter, if not sooner. I'm not sure what else you can do to keep from embarrassing an opponent. It's not Sikeston's fault these teams are so bad. Now against teams the caliber of NMCC or Jackson or Kennett, who Sikeston had substantial leads on in the 4th, Holifield may leave the starters in because those teams are quite capable of putting a dent into a lead rather quickly. But by that point, the dogs have been completely called off. No pressing or anything.

-- Posted by semohoops on Thu, Jan 28, 2010, at 9:06 AM

Folks at the SCC ND game probably didnt notice there was a player on the scc bench that didnt see any time against ND that has just came back to the team .Probably the best jv player at scc the past two years .HE will fill a big hole in the SCC line up.Good all around player if he doesnt start he will be a very good sixth man.I beleave his name is woodson.

-- Posted by braves84 on Thu, Jan 28, 2010, at 7:23 PM

braves84, that's right. Reggie Woodson is supposed to be eligible to play now, although I believe he has to have a certain amount of official practices (I heard 14) to be able to play. Reggie will help fill the void left by Stewart, but from what I understand Reggie has been mostly univolved with basketball this year, even during open gyms. He will definitely help, although maybe not as much as if he had been practicing the whole time (not sure if he would've been able to do that or not).

-- Posted by FarmBoy06 on Thu, Jan 28, 2010, at 11:59 PM

Farmboy06

Reggie Woodson? I have never heard of this kid. Is he a junior. He should be if he was the best jv player the last 2 years.

-- Posted by oak ridge fan on Fri, Jan 29, 2010, at 7:11 AM

Yes, he is a junior. If you watched SCC much you probably should have, although they're JV has been pretty stacked in the last couple years, so they didn't necessarily have one standout player.

-- Posted by FarmBoy06 on Fri, Jan 29, 2010, at 9:46 AM


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