I saw a previous thread about the Carr Trophy, but it got a little off topic and I thought I'd start a fresh thread.
I did notice that someone mentioned Caruthersville players and there was mention that most folks didn't know much about them so I'll start off by sharing some stats and info.
Elbie Fonda (DB, RB, KR Jr.), and his cousin, Vohland Fonda (DB, RB, KR Sr.), Peter Lloyd (DB, WR, KR Sr. You may know his big brother, Carr Trophy winner, Jimmy Jackson) and Perry Middleton (DB, QB Sr.) are incredble players who should all garner accolades and consideration for the award. The backs are actually hampering each other in their statistics because of the wealth of talent on this squad, but it's not about that for these guys...they are a team and are focused on the goal of winning week in and week out, but all 4 boys deserve consideration and I'll reserve my opinion on who I think should receive the Carr Tropy.
Elbie Fonda has rushed for 848 yards on 99 carries with 8 TD's along with 5 receptions for 44 yards. Solid numbers when you're sharing the spotlight.
Vohland Fonda has rushed for for 807 yards this season on 108 carries with 11 TD's...but that's not all...add on 14 receptions for 200 yards and 5 touchdowns...but wait...lets not forget the 32 PAT's he has kicked...and I guess the 2 2-point conversions count for something...also tack on 11 tackles and 5 assists and I think it'd be hard to argue against him deserving consideration.
That's not meant to sell Peter Lloyd short or put him in their shadows because he's a stud in his own right! Here are the stats...For the season he's rushed for 265 yards on 22 carries and 3 TD's, but don't scoff...he also has 17 receptions for 243 yards 2 TD's...and then there is his specialty...returning the ball...Pete has returned 12 punts for 207 yards and 8 kickoffs for 271 yards and 3 of those returns were for TD's...on the other side of the ball he has 21 tackles, 7 assists and 1 interception.
Then there's the QB Middleton who has completed 69 of 132 passes for 1079 yards and 15 TD's with only 3 interceptions...plus he's rushed for 59 yards on 27 carries and one TD.
Believe it or not Caruthersville's David Shaw (DB, WR, KR Sr.) and Derries Johnson (DB, WR Sr.) have impressive stats as well with David having 85 yards rushing on 12 carries and 1 TD...16 receptions for 370 yards and 5 TD's...plus he's 1 for 1 passing for 17 yards...45 tackles and 15 assists along with 4 interceptions. As for Derries (DB, WR Sr.), he has 331 yards on 23 carries and 2 TD's...14 receptions for 191 yards and 1 TD...plus 12 tackles and 3 assists. I only mention these to point out the depth that Caruthersville has and the fact that they definitely share the spotlight when it comes to playing time. If any one of these guys were on a team with a bit less talent to go around their stats would be off the chart.
Just priming the pump...who else deserves consideration?
I'll go ahead and throw out sikestons favorites for the award..
Trey lewis- 1109 yards passing 55 of 95 for compeltetions with 9 td's and 3 ints..
885 yards rushing on 66 carries with 16 td's. is 5th in the entire state in rushing yards for a qb but has the highest average yards per rush with 13.4, that's the highest for qb's in the top 50 in every class
Also has 3 interceptions on defense with about 10 tackles
Darryl howard- 1074 yards rushing on 112 carries with 12 td's. Almost averages 10 yards a carry with 9. 59.
I'm not sure if this is just for offensive players but ill go ahead and throw out some stats anyways
Ray clark- has 96 tackles and is 2nd in class four. Also has a sack and 22 carries for 174 yards with 1 td..
Trey Lewis will probably win the award and he will have earned it. But because he plays for one of the bigger undefeated teams in the area some teams and players will get overshadowed. I hope this thread stays on topic and like inspectorgadget and tigerfanman has done, I hope other fans give stats from other teams and players. Let's keep this one mature.
The one thing I noticed about the Cville players that's different form the Sikeston backs and Moore from Cape is their yards per carry. gadget listed the stats for Sikeston and Moore had 10.6 yards/carry before SIkeston but he onyl got 6 touches that game so it should go down much.
I'm not trying to take anything away from Cville it appears they have some very good players but I would need to see them play a bigger school, even Jackson or Bluff to see how they would fare and against a little better team.
I'll stay on topic this time, and yeah i'm kind of interested on the other major players in the running, Okay not to kick the dead horse but did moore have 3 total yards or 7.. I've seen both, and Trey lewis is on track to beat wiggins stats last year pretty easily..
6 carries 3 yards
To the point about playing better teams. Sikeston has played several teams Caruthersville has played this year, and the scores look far similar. Not saying Cville could play with Sikeston by any means but its not like they did far better either.They played Kennett,NMCC,Dexter, and they will be playing Charleston this thursday. Same teams Sikeston has played this year. I took a look at Sikeston's schedule and they play a few good teams in Obion County, Cape Central, with a big game coming thursday against Farmington, but its not like they schedule top notch teams every year either. I'm not really understanding what your trying to say here. So in order for a Cville player to have a chance at the Carr Trophy they should schedule Class 5 teams in Poplar Bluff, Jackson, which they are not strong teams but to my point. Cville plays the right competetion for their class. Their schedule is pretty much set every year except for a couple games. Why should a Class 2 school have to play a Class 5 team in order to be a contender for the award? How would Sikeston's players do against Class 6 teams and the upper tier Class 4 and 5 teams? The Carr trophy is for the BEST PLAYER IN SOUTHEAST MISSOURI, not the level of competition you play. Sure the level of comp has a lot to do with your stats, but reverse role's a little bit. How do you think the Cville players would look running behind Sikeston's line? How would Sikeston's players do running behind Cville's line? See what I'm saying, there is a bunch of what if's involved and it shouldn't be based on who you play. Not taking anything away from anyone or any team, its just my opinion
Don't get to worried cheesehead I don't care for this award much. I think one of the fondas would be very deserving for this award. But there is hope, you don't have to play 5A schools to win the award, M.C. Williams from EAST PRARIE won a few years ago. So anything could happen. Cheesehead I think I know who you are haha.
Oh I know you don't have to play bigger schools to win. Jimmy Jackson won in 03 and Adam Cecil won in 04. I don't care either way who wins it, but I was just stating that you don't have to play bigger schools to win it. And how do you know me? lol
I think I may know your son. Do you have a son that goes to SEMO lol!?
Nope! Wrong Cheesehead lol.. I'm glad im not that old to be having a kid in college. I'm still a young buck, 28 years young
Okay haha nevermind. Yes wrong cheesehead lol.
Very true cheesehead! I KNOW who you are...I'm using a bit less identifiable username these days!
I'll throw in a pair of linemen for consideration (and these guys just played each other)....
Chris Bird - T - Cape Central
Corey Porter - C/DG - Sikeston
If they don't do what THEY do, their teams aren't a combined one loss this year - POINT BLANK.
I haven't seen the Lewis kid from Sikeston but I've read all the hoopla on here. Either he's really all that or a few people have a serious man-crush on him ;)
Yes, I'm a Caruthersville fan so I'm biased, but I'll call it like I see it, what little I do get to see it, and by it, I'm talking about the standouts on other teams. One of the other big names I've heard mentioned is G'Darius of NMCC. I was impressed, but in that one game, I wouldn't say he's the best in SEMO. Of all of the "standouts" I've seen, I'd pick three - two from right here in Pemiscot County and one from Malden, and let the north guys argue for the guys they've seen. Not necessarily in order...
1) #57 from Hayti, Darnell Clay, I think his name. All I can say about the kid is "wow". Of course "wow" won't win the Carr Trophy, and most of his wow factor does come on defense, but he's very impressive on the HS level. And it's very clear that the guys around him rally around his play. Again, is he Carr material, I doubt it, but he's good and his performance still rings in my head several weeks later.
2) Murphy from Malden. This kid is young, but shows the poise that you don't see in many junior and senior players. He listens to the coach, takes the load on his shoulders, and gets it done. Probably won't get much praise (SEMO-wide) this season, but we'll here a LOT from this guy in the next two years.
3) Saving the best for last, and again, the best of all the guys I HAVE SEEN PLAY, would be Vohland Fonda of Caruthersville. He runs HARD, catches the ball, lays the wood on defense, and after those long speedy runs, or short gangbusters up the middle, he gets back there and kicks the extra points (with a very good PAT %, by the way) and then handles the kickoff chores as well. When he's not on the field doing any one of those tasks, he's on the sidelines encouraging the guys around him to rise up and get it done. If the Carr Trophy is for the best ALL AROUND athlete, he has to be in the conversation, small school or not.
Again, I write all of this having not seen Lewis (of Sikeston) on the field, only in opinion columns. Based on all these articles the trophy should've been given to Lewis the second week of the season, and may already be, but everyone needs to remember that there's a few more classes below Sikeston's and class size doesn't necessarily mean a thing. Wasn't too many years that a Class 2 Tiger team beat the brakes off that Class 4 Sikeston team, was it?
Caruthersville had three Carr Trophy winners in four years in 03, 04, and 06, and they basically played the same schedule in those years that they do now.
Jimmy Jackson won it in 03, Adam Cecil 04, and Kendrickus Reed 06. They all deserved it and where great football players who played for C-ville. I agree that C-ville has a ton of talent this year and somebody from that team should get some votes for the award. They have so many weapons this year I could not tell who is the best player on the team this year. However, I think Trey Lewis from Sikeston should win it this year. Keep in mind that there have been a lot of great players that have not won the Carr Trophy. For example,William Moore from Hayti did not win it and he seems to be doing just fine. I don't know where he finished in the voting or if he even received any. I do know that he had big numbers and was All State on both sides of the ball that year. Jimmy Jackson who later became his team mate at MU and in my opinion was the right player to win it that year won the award. Regardless who wins it this year there will be some great players that will not.
I havent seen the Cville kids, but I have heard about them all year. I hope Trey gets it, but we know it will depend on how he does against another potential winner, Zach Hibbet.
Can anybody tell me the history behing the Carr Award? Who is Carr?? What is the criteria?
C'ville did "beat the brakes" off Sikeston a few years ago. However....as in most high school sports....the tide has turned. I personally would love for Sikeston to play C'ville, but it wouldn't help Sikeston since they are Class 4. Sikeston would do more than "beat the brakes" off them. It would be over before the kickoff!!
Last friday was sikeston's first four quarter game, imagine the stats if they played full games every game... And you can't compare c ville to sikeston..
Rocket, you are full of Sikeston hoopla aren't ya? The game would be over before kickoff?? Pleeeassssee. BTW, niiiiice pic of you in the Standard-Democrat, you were right above the orange circle on top of the chain marker in the lower left hand corner of the table. The guy is holding the orange thing and has on a yellow vest and you had a black pullover windsuit material jacket didn't you?
You got me. How did you pick me out of the crowd?
Rocket you're a funny guy. You strike me as the "wait til next year" kinda guy, who finally got his "next year". Ride it while you can bud ;)
It hurt Sikeston (and hurt Dement, judging by the way he'd throw that clipboard) to get slaughtered by a Class 2 team, two years in a row, regardless how low the tide was then. A class 4 team getting slaughtered, at home, by a class 2 team? Yeah, I'd probably throw more than a clipboard if I was the coach.
It'd wouldn't help them to play now either, because I can guarantee you 1)it wouldn't be over before kickoff; 2)it'd be closer than you think; and 3) bragging about "squeaking one out" against a little old class 2 team just wouldn't be much fun.
Just remember that tide is always changing, and real fans "go to the beach" and support their team no matter what the water looks like.
Rocket, I thought though I had a "hunch" of who you were and I was right. No worries, I won't tell a soul. golfnmotorcycles, is your username actually the order of your priorities? If so, not too shabby!!!
Not my order of priorities, Hemingway, but definitely two of my favorite hobbies.
I stink at one, spent most of my life doing the other, but always manage to have a blast doing each one.
Those Caruthersville teams would have beaten a lot of Class 4 teams in those years. Sikeston wasn't beating many teams back then, let alone a stacked Caruthersville team which were probably the best teams they've ever put on the field. But when Sikeston finally beat Caruthersville, they dropped them. It's a lose-lose situation for a Class 4 team like Sikeston. Those teams are all gung ho about playing when they are good and the big school is bad, but as soon as the big school beats them, they drop them.
Sikeston's talent level back then was extremely low. Most people thought Eli and Juqualin's class of athletes would be difference makers when they saw them play in junior high. Those people were obviously correct, judging by last season's results on both the football field and basketball court.
Don't believe everything you read on the internet....just sayin'.
No, I'm not one of those "wait 'til next year" kind of guys. I'm just being realistic. C'ville was good....no doubt. But, as yah-yah said, once our talent pool got a litle deeper and we beat you guys, you dropped us. The same thing happened to Fredericktown. They beat us one year and we beat them, so they dropped us.
Yeah, Sikeston just didn't have good players during that stretch. It's really that simple. They were bad in junior high and they were bad on the varsity. One of those senior classes didn't even finish out their 8th grade year because they ran out of players. You can have one bad class, but you can't have 3 or 4 bad classes in a row. Those are program killers. It happens to everybody. A five years ago you would never in your right mind think Sikeston would win 13 games and Jackson would win 1 game. It was unthinkable. High school sports are cyclical.
Good Rocket, I'm proud of ya. Judging by the stands at Caruthersville and there at Sikeston, the Bulldogs had a lot of of "those" fans a few years ago. Win or lose, these kids need to know their fans support them. That's what it's all about.
Enough of the Sikeston/Caruthersville stuff, I was simply trying to make the point that an athlete's abilities don't change so much because of the class of teams that his team might play, but moreso by the size of his heart, and what he shows on (and sometimes, off) the field, and the voters know (and have shown) that.
What do you mean Rocket about not believing everything I read on the internet??
Even in Sikeston's lean years, they probably out-draw most teams in home attendance. But in the good years, people come out of the woodworks and the whole town will show up for the big games.
If the Carr trophy is for the best all around guy then with the numbers Trey has put up on both sides of the ball then there shouldn't even be a discussion who gets it.
You did not pick me out of the crowd. I am in the picture, but about 5" to the right.
Hey golfnmotorcycles...I agree with you about Malden's QB looking great...Hard to believe he's just a sophmore. He will get those votes in the next couple of years. I was amazed at how poised he was to be so young!
It sounds like Trey Lewis has done a lot to deserve the award and the stats show it. The only other two strong candidates in my opinion are G'Darius Stevens (who didn't impress me much against Caruthersville) and Vohland Fonda because of his versatility. Coach Morgan compared him to a young Walter Payton because you can put him anywhere on the field and he'll give 100%.
Caruthersville has the potential to have 2 1,000 yard rushers for the regular season between the two Fondas, but one wouldn't want to see Coach Morgan risk them being injured. They are playing with one purpose alone...if you saw the '03 and '04 teams from Caruthersville without seeing this one, then you are missing out because they are at least that good, maybe even better. Such depth is just amazing to me for a class 2 school.
Totally agree with you Tigerfanman.. Elbie Fonda will be back next year so he should get the majority of the carries his Senior year. Can't wait for kickoff tomorrow night!
How many other teams in the semo will have 2 1000 yard rushers or at least one?
Sikeston should have two if lewis snaps again tommorrow
will moore break 1000 yards in the reg season?
There is the link that will show Wiggins numbers. I will let you guys compare Lewis to Wiggins, but I think Lewis should surpass Mr. Wiggins record setting tonite!
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