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Mshsaa website has some changes with districts and classes this year.
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I think the biggest surprise is in Class 1 where Valle Catholic has been moved out of our area's sectional and is now in the sectional with Eminence and Winona. This means that Valle Catholic and Winona/Eminence will not both be at the state tournament in November.
I looked at MSHSAA's website and it appears that Classes 2, 3 and 4 pretty much remained the same in our area. Class 1 had the biggest shakeup in our area. Bloomfield, Greenville and St. Vincent are now competing in the Class 1 division (they were Class 2 last year and years before). Not sure why this happened - lower enrollment numbers, maybe? Regardless, Bloomfield will now be in the Bell City-Bernie district, Greenville is in the Zalma-Southern Reynolds County district, and St. Vincent is in the Advance-Leopold district.
I'm surprised there isn't more talk of high school volleyball on this forum seeing as how season starts next week! Thanks for keeping the conversation alive, vballmom5.
vballmom5
Where have you located such information?
I will add private schools have an unfair advantage in every sport until they are required to compete exclusively with other private schools.
One has to wonder if attending private schools would become less popular if you had an equal chance to win a state title at a private school.
Every student in Missouri deserves an equal state to win a state title!
You. Are. An. Idiot. if you honestly believe what you just said.
Please explain to me how schools like, say Valle and St. Vincent have this said 'advantage'?
And if they came about with an all private school league who would they play? the only reasonable close school would be St. Pius X, after that.. Notre Dame, MICDS??? or another option to travel all the way across the state to find small KC private schools like UA??
NeverWasBeen
I do believe what I just said.
Do private schools and public schools have an equal chance to advance to the state final four?
Can you provide me statistical proof that suggests private and public schools have an equal chance to advance to the state final four?
NeverWasBeen
Do you have statistics that suggest public schools advance to the state playoffs more frequently than private schools?
I am not an idiot. I had a 4.0 GPA in high school and college!
Never Was Been
Why would it be more or less unfair to make Class 1 private schools play Class 4 private schools than Class 1 private schools play Class 1 public schools?
IMO private schools have more of an advantage because they can recruit,your public schools are stuck with the kids in their distric.Not saying all private schools recriut but they can.IN STL the private schools give out scholarships to kids they want to attend their school.Go back and look at the state champs in soccer and v-ball.
I found this on the Missouri State High School Athletics page. Its definatly gonna shake things up a bit for class 1 to compete with previous class 2 schools. I'd say it has a lot to do with enrollment numbers and then redistricting too. Zalma moved from Advance/Leopold district further west. The Advance/Leopold/StVincent district will be tough. Leopold plays St Vincent in regular season, Advance does not. Bernie/Bloomfield will be competive as well, who ever comes out of that sectional play could win it all.
Dustin, the information is on MSHSAA's website. The reshuffling of the district assignments was completed and made available to the public Friday. Here are the new districts (I'll save you the time of going to MSHSAA website):
*Class 1 District 1: Cooter, Delta-Deering, Gideon, Holcomb, North Pemiscot County, South Pemiscot County, Southland
*Class 1 District 2: Bell City, Bernie, Bloomfield, Campbell, Clarkton, Richland, Risco
*Class 1 District 3: Greenville, Lesterville, Marquand-Zion, Southern Reynolds County, South Iron, Zalma
*Class 1 District 4: Advance, Leopold, Meadow Heights, Oak Ridge, Oran, St. Vincent
*Class 1 District 5: Bismarck, Chamois, Crystal City, Kingston, New Haven, Valle Catholic, Valley-Caledonia
*Class 1 District 6: Bunker, Eminence, Summersville, Thayer, Viburnum, Winona
- - -
*Class 2 District 1: Caruthersville, Hayti, Malden, Portageville, Senath-Hornersville, Twin Rivers
*Class 2 District 2: Charleston, Clearwater, Puxico, Saxony Lutheran, Scott City, Woodland
*Class 2 District 3: Arcadia Valley, Grandview (Hillsboro), Herculaneum, Jefferson (Festus), St. Pius X (Festus), West St. Francois County
*Class 2 District 4: Cardinal Ritter, Carnahan, Cleveland NJROTC, Lift for Life Academy Charter High School, Metro High School, St. Elizabeth Academy (St. Louis), Transportation & Law High School
- - -
*Class 3 District 1: Dexter, Doniphan, Fredericktown, Kennett, New Madrid County Central, Notre Dame (Cape Girardeau), Perryville
*Class 3 District 2: DeSoto, Festus, North St. Francois County, Potosi, St. Francois County Central, Ste. Genevieve, Windsor (Imperial)
*Class 3 District 3: Affton, Bayless, Bishop DuBourg, Hancock, Lutheran South, Notre Dame (St. Louis)
*Class 3 District 4: College Preparatory High School at Madison, Miller Career Academy, Roosevelt, Soldan International Studies, Sumner, University City, Vashon
- - -
*Class 4 District 1: Cape Central, Farmington, Hillsboro, Jackson, Poplar Bluff, Sikeston
*Class 4 District 2: Cor Jesu Academy, Fox, Lindbergh, Mehlville, Oakville, Seckman
*Class 4 District 3: Eureka, Lafayette (Wildwood), Northwest (Cedar Hill), Pacific, Parkway South, Rockwood Summit, Washington
*Class 4 District 4: Kirkwood, Ladue Horton Watkins, Nerinx Hall, St. Joseph's Academy, Ursuline Academy, Webster Groves
I dont care if you were an theoretical physicist in school. That doesnt mean you were taught to use common sense. You stated they have an 'unfair chance'? How is that, private schools play less games to get a championship now or what? Would it be safe to say that using girls volleyball that most of the private schools fall under classes 3&4? because if so the entire class 4 finals were composed of public school teams. And as for your last question, you tell me you think it would be fair for St. Vincent(enrollment 203 Largest class 1 private) to play Incarnate Word (enrollment 1037 Smallest class 4 private) or would it be more fair for St. Vincent to compete with Crystal City (NON-ADJUSTED enrollment of 200). So if i phrase your question that way, which is more fair?
All numbers come directly off of MSHSAA's website in case you are wondering.
NeverWasBeen
Statistics indicate private school have a better chance to win a state title than public schools.
If you don't think a private school has a huge advantage over a public school in any class then you might just be an idiot NeverWasBeen. Are you serious?? I've been to many state VB tournaments and that thing is full of private schools! For several years a private school won almost very class. You cannot deny that fact.
Private schools can recruit - Public schools cannot = NOT LEVEL PLAYING FIELD
NeverWasBeen
I'd be curious what percentage of Missourians would agree with me and what percentage of Missourians would agree public and private schools have an equal chance to win state titles.
Statistical Proof of Public Schools advancing to playoffs more frequently:
Class 1- 16 District Champions 1(one) Private School
Class 2- 16 District Champions 5(five) Private
Class 3- 16 District Champions 7(seven) Private
Class 4- 16 District Champions 2(two) Private
So in case you were wondering that leaves a total of 49 public schools to 15 Privates.
And since I know you have a 4.0 I think that you know what that means as it is the answer to the question "Do you have statistics that suggest public schools advance to the state playoffs more frequently than private schools?"
If anyone one of the other geniuses on here that dont think that Public schools can recruit they should just go ahead and familiarize themselves with Floyd Irons and Vashon Basketball. Add to the fact that public school kids in fact can have kids from other districts if the kid is released and pays tuition at attending public school Also you never answered how school like Valle and St Vincent this applies? What do they recruit? there facilities?? thats an even bigger joke yet.
The Legend
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NeverWasBeen
Keep in mind there are many more public schools than private schools.
If there were four public schools and four private schools in every district your argument public schools have an equal chance to win state titles would not lack fallacies.
Private schools make up approximately(And I only say that because I may not have pegged a couple names as private) 16% of the Class 3 and 4(35/208) Vball population, out of the district winners they make up 28% (9/32 ) They are just slightly above being directly proportional.
With that said Im going to go ahead and bring in the argument that everyone hates because thier little public school Jonny and Jane along with their team is full of the exceptions but.. Traditionally (and im not just talking vball) kids that are brought up in a private school system bring about more discipline than those in public schools, with that also comes a work ethic. Im not saying that Public Schools dont care, but if you wanna talk about traditional trends, this is one as well.
Getting back to the original thoughts on the districts.
Class 1 is very very strong. Class 2 looks very weak in the southeast Missouri region. I anticipate Notre Dame and Perryville will once again be among the most talented Class 3 schools in Missouri and are likely to beat most Class 4 schools in southeast Missouri.
It will be interesting to see if Leopold will get past Advance and extend its district title streak in Class 1, District 4.
Bloomfield could make noise dropping to Class 1, but will have a tall task getting past Bernie in its district.
Also I would like to point out Ive taken a considerable amount of my time to research your questions, and yet I have yet to receive any feed back, or answers to my questions. Youre an expert at dodging, that ill give you.
NeverWasBeen
I do agree with you (and I am speaking in terms educators may understand better than other) the contextual factors of private schools may make teaching easier.
NeverWasBeen
I could present a strong statistical argument. However, it would take hours if not days to complete the research. At a small daily I simply do not have that much extra time to devote to such a case study.
Before my thoughts are taken out of context . . . I believe Valle Catholic and Notre Dame are among the best high school educational institutions in the Midwest. My thoughts on the issue are not directed at the athletes or employees of these schools.
I'm more interested in examining if private schools are more likely to advance deep in the state playoffs than public schools and if the current playoff system is fair to everyone.
Well said, and ill throw out there im not affiliated with either of those schools, nor do I really follow volleyball that closely. i just researched based on the topic being placed in the volleyball forum.
NeverWasBeen
It remains unfortunate more people don't follow volleyball in southeast Missouri. Statistics indicate more teams will win state titles in volleyball than any other sport in southeast Missouri in the fall.
Wow, didn't want to stir anything up here just wanted to make others aware of the changes in districts this fall. I too wish more people in the area took interest in volleyball. I have to say some of the fans at local area schools pack the gym each night for a volleyball game at their school or on the road. Its just as fun to watch the girls games as it is to watch the boys rooting on their teams. Bring on volleyball season.
I agree that volleyball seems to get looked over on the forum, especially when football begins...then it's allll about football. Gah. (Nothing against football, just not the sport of my choice).
Wonder how many Seniors St. Vincent lost in May.
Im not sure either how many St Vincents lost to graduation but I think there was a coaching change there this year. Any other coaching changes in the area? I'd love to know.
Bernie hired Erin Hoffman.
Im fairly positive the coach from SV came back after not getting another job. And if I recall correctly they were a underclassmen oriented team.
Anyone know who Scott City hired?